https://nitter.net/LeeCamp/status/1502517382853677057

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    • Teekeeus
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      deleted by creator

        • invo_rt [he/him]
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          BuT ZeLeNsKy Is JeWiSh!!1! NaZiS iN uKrAiNe Is RuSsIaN pRoPaGaNdA!!

          :foucault-madness:

      • Circra [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        They literally only gave a shit about antisemitism because it was a way of getting rid of an old democratic socialist who ran on a platform of 'maybe not relentless, wall to wall evil'

  • mr_world [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Yes they're fine with it. Because it's not happening to them and instead happening to us. The goal was never to fight censorship, just keep it pointed at the correct people.

  • mao_zedonk [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Do I live under a rock? Why have I literally never heard of Lee Camp or Abby Martin until these tweets?

    Were they good?

    • ImSoOCD [they/them]
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      They are both anticapitalist, but not communist. Lee Camp’s show had a nice niche in the Bush and Obama era where there was still a lot of overlap between new age conspiracy stuff, the anti-war movement, and occupy wall street type stuff. When I was watching his show regularly, I was also following I Fucking Love Science and Spirituality & Metaphysics on Facebook if that helps paint a picture. They’re both better than the vast majority of mainstream American news on the vast majority of issues, but there’s still gonna be some manufacturing-consent-style hangups. Their reporting on Snowden, Assange, and Manning was all super refreshing at the time

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        They’re both better than the vast majority of mainstream American news on the vast majority of issues, but there’s still gonna be some manufacturing-consent-style hangups.

        Christ, this feels like someone describing The Daily Show circa 2002.

    • cilantrofellow [any]
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      3 years ago

      idk about lee camp but Abby Martin is or was a reporter for RT. Honestly it’s shitty this is happening but I’m skeptical about saying the latter is good. Mehdi Hasan was also considered “left wing” because of his intercept podcast but he’s a known unscrupulous grifter. If you’re critical of the US from the left but work for a sus outlet idk where you stand ethically.

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        I recommend this clip to get some insight into one of the half dozen different format they used:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUGh1Su7-ok

        About the book "Giants: Who Really Rules The World?" in which the transnational capital class is described in on your nose descriptions by the Prof who wrote it.

    • invo_rt [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Abby Martin

      She's great. She's staunchly anti-imperialist and very pro-Palestine. Check out her work Gaza Fights for Freedom. She also used to go on D*re, but as far as I know, she hasn't been back on since he went full grifter.

      Lee Camp

      He's good as well. I've listened to him off and on for years, well before he had a show on RT. He seems to cover a lot of indigenous and environmental issues that usually get ignored. As far as I know, he's on the Common Censored podcast.

    • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      my first genuine exposure to abby martin was like 4 years ago during the US backed coup attempt in venezuela. there were constant videos and images of "citizen uprisings" in venezuela all over :reddit-logo: , then abby pops out with this 30 minute video where she goes around caracas interviewing people at the protests (peaceful and more aggressive) or non-protestors going about their business, and showing maps of where opposition and pro-government support exist while discussing socioeconomic data of regions. i'm a sucker for critical geography.

      it was the first time i had seen coverage of the venezuela situation besides the un-ending B-roll of riot police and protestors while some $300 haircut in a $3000 suit described the situation as people rising up against a corrupt authoritarian regime for 6 minutes at the top of every hour before interviewing some NatSec goblin about the feasibility of US intervention. abby was the first person going in and talking to the people protesting and they were more than happy to explain themselves, on camera, to an english-speaking white lady from the US. very light skinned and wealthy looking people just straight up regurgitating mindless talking points and occasionally telling on themselves. at least until the opposition's dogs among the elites posted pictures of her and her team all over social media, accusing them of being part of a state intelligence service and advocating violence against them. not to mention, she was the only one i had seen at that point letting people in Caracas talk at length about their opinions of the situation, or analyzing the deaths attributed to the protests or the tactics of the protestors.

      it completely shattered the monolithic narrative we had been seeing on all corporate news outlets in the US and made me wonder how long it would be until she and her producers were killed "mysteriously". it also touched on the racial component, which is completely wiped from typical US media coverage.

      it is wild https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtu1DwHo1Zg

  • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Every law, no matter what, will always ultimately be weaponized against the left.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Freeze peach was always freedom for the speech you liked. Liberals didn't defend the speech of the far right because some exalted ideals made them overcome their revulsion to racism and bigotry, they did so because deep down they agreed with the fascists and the freeze peach angle have them a socially acceptable way of expressing support.

    • p_sharikov [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The liberal mindset divides speech into "honest" and "dishonest" speech. To liberals, you can be an "honest" fascist who genuinely believes in fascism but is simply misled. Naturally, such a person should be allowed to speak because the marketplace of ideas will change their mind if they are wrong. The left, however, is "dishonest" because they are intentionally spreading enemy propaganda or some shit. Idk, as usual, more thought is given to the fascist viewpoint than the motivations of leftists, who are basically just evil I guess.

  • Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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    It looks like https://odysee.com/ will preserve at least some of the stuff that was deleted from YouTube. Abby Martin's old (some now deleted on YT) shows are already there.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Yes for sure, but this also highlights the need for federated alternatives like lemmy and mastodon. And the left has an advantage over the right in this regard because we can build some alternative to big tech that actually works well, while every time the right tries this it ALWAYS becomes just a grift-fest , and usually sucks from a tech perspective to boot.

    • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      The software already exists. It's called PeerTube. We just need a popular instance which is operated by the glorious dictatorship of the proletariat, like this site.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    TIL, the company that produces Redacted Tonight was required to register as an agent of a foreign government under the Trump Administration.

    I guess there's a kind of "she was asking for it, did you see how she was dressed?" energy to declaring your inevitable censorship in the name of your show. But I suspect this has more to do with YouTube's ability to monetize the show under US sanctions than anything in the content. Its not like they're taking down Tucker Carlson clips.