dabbing on the crackers
Putin on the Ritz 
(I formally declare Russians to be Non-white. ваши регистрационные документы придут по почте в ближайшее время.)
I find it incredibly funny that both libs and chuds think this is Putin trolling or playing some 4D chess to divide America, when in all likelihood, this was a purely honest statement if one applies even the slightest common sense:
With Biden, at least Russia will always know that Biden will be pushing for the standard US foreign policy doctrine against Russia. There is a certainty behind Biden’s policy.
With Trump, even if he somehow managed to become the true anomaly that re-establishes US-Russia ties (unlikely), then what happens after Trump steps down in 4 years?
Who and what ensure that the new administration will not just tear up whatever agreement they had signed (not the first time, nor will it be their last time doing so) and re-impose sanctions and military hostility against Russia?
What stops the US from exploiting the temporary truce under Trump to recoup and militarize the surrounding European states and plan for further NATO actions against Russia down the road?
What is the deterrence here? There is none.
Russia doesn’t need US military technology (it is already defeating NATO equipments at a fraction of the cost), it does not need US raw materials, it cannot fully utilize the Western export market anymore (Nord Stream was already bombed), it does not need computer chips (China’s indigenous chip makers can provide that), it does not need access to the dollar market (apart from the fact that Russia is no longer interested in the dollar, who can even guarantee that the US will not simply block their dollar access for the second and third time?), it already has nuclear weapons that readily retaliate if the US’s stick is simply not to nuke Russia. There is no incentive for compromise as well.
Considering all that, Biden is indeed the more predictable candidate when it comes to handling US foreign policy against Russia. There is no doubt about it. Trump can say whatever he wants, but can he suppress the will and demands of the national security apparatus? What can he even guarantee when he steps down in 2028?
Americans act like their lives are Game of Thrones or Harry Potter or some shit where the Destiny of the World is in the hands of the individual, and that destiny is at risk of being changed because the individual is at risk of being defeated. And when I say Americans, I mean 50% voters and 50% government because it seems that they believe “materialism” means buying iPhone every year.
It's interesting how American conservatives just kind of assume that their vision for the world and the visions other generally conservative political players have are in total agreement. At the end of the day most nations are playing for something different.
(Well that and an actual officeholder making an official statement is gonna have a different calculus than disgraced talking heads or internet posters)
- ShowHmm, how does this post keep getting bumped?
ShowHoly shit.
Would you believe a word that comes out of Putin's mouth?
Have some tea. It's definitely not polonium-flavored.
edit It is fascinating how abrupt and vocal a response I get here if I say something negative about Putin. It's also fascinating how many upvotes those responses get. It makes the provenance of this community's opinions fairly obvious.
edit It is fascinating how abrupt and vocal a response I get here if I say something negative about Putin. It's also fascinating how many upvotes those responses get. It makes the provenance of this community's opinions fairly obvious.
You sound exactly like Shapiro
“People immediately telling me I’m wrong is proof that I’m saying the hard truth!”
Oh please, I don't know shit about hard truth. But I know a tyrant when I see one.
So when Biden genocides children in Palestine, does that also count as tyranny?
Well obviously not because he isn't making the USA do it to "their own people"
"Have some tea" is braindead propaganda, it's not some bazinga critique. That is why no one takes you seriously
Oh please, I don't know shit about hard truth. But I know a tyrant when I see one.
say this again
slowly
we are a simple folk
we see a dogshit opinion, we dogpile it
Why do all libs talk like this?
I swear dronies are AI-generated
Just because someone is an enemy doesn't mean I assume the opposite of everything they say
Assuming the opposite would be silly and easy to manipulate.
We should assume that he is lying, whatever he says.
I should assume he is talking in order to communicate ideas via language, actually
if all you do is believe that someone is ALWAYS lying you're gonna run into some very funny corners
if all you do is believe that someone is ALWAYS lying you're gonna run into some very funny corners
Putin: "it is important to stay hydrated"
Libs: die of dehydration
Putin says he would prefer Trump: I knew it, because Russian asset Comrade Drumpf is in luuuuv with Putin! (not homophobic btw)
Putin says he would prefer Biden: As if you could believe anything the notorious liar Putler says.
(Parenti quote)
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I assume any politician that has any real power lies as easily as they breathe, can you name a U.S. politician that doesn't just drop in the right buzz words while they skirt answering uncomfortable questions?
I don't think "buzz words* are relevant to this particular context, as we're talking about a specific answer to a specific question. Also, because a specific answer was given, we're not talking about being evasive either.
Why are you even allowing his opinion to influence you at all? If he can say something that can change the way you vote, or act politically if you do more than vote
, Putin has already won whatever game you think he's playing.If instead, you acknowledge that your politics can exist in ways outside of conversations between politicians, you can actually practice your politics and laugh when some misguided liberal throws out a baby-brained comment.
You understand how that is basically the same thing and absurd, right?
Not if they're villains from Saturday morning cartoons. Bet you didn't consider that!
Yikes! You tone policing me? What do you have against millennials?
I’m excited for the new Deadpool movie. They’re gonna have Wolverine in it! ☺️
That's absolutely absurd and not how political analysis is done. You don't just assume a politician is lying because they're "bad." When Kim Jong-Un says he wants America out of the ROK, nobody assumes he's lying.
No you’re right. Putin is lying. Biden’s mind is a haze and he is unfit for leadership. Putin is trying to psyop patriots into voting for a man who will destroy America.
Hey come on American Liberals, this whole Russian Federation thing was your idea, who do you think supported Yeltsin and Putin to power? Maybe if you don't like him then you should take it up with the guys who gave him that job.
What was Biden saying back then? It would be hilarious if there was a clip of him talking about this up and comer, putin
He was up to his crime bill bs then
“We have predators on our streets that society has in fact, in part because of its neglect, created,” said Biden, then a fourth-term senator from Delaware so committed to the bill that he has referred to it over the years as “the Biden bill.”
“They are beyond the pale many of those people, beyond the pale,” Biden continued. “And it’s a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society.” Joe Biden, November 1993
You get this reaction because we're anti war and you goons are only going to get millions of people killed trying to start shit. You've already gotten a million Ukrainians killed, and for what? Shit should have been negotiated at least 18 months ago when the writing was already on the wall but liberals wanted to sacrifice limitless lives just to hurt russia for the sake of american supremacy.
May I remind you that Putin is literally the person liberals chose to run the country after you overthrew socialists? You fucks want him over us. Liberals literally created modern russia.
If you're as "anti war" as you claim then you should be pointing all the blame for Ukrainian deaths at the country which invaded them, and the man who ordered the invasion.
The Russian military got Ukrainians killed. Period.
Same here
I once had a lib say that any Ukranian who didn't volunteer to fight is an absolute coward, which they posted from an air conditioned room in the middle of the US
I pointed out that Ukraine still accepts volunteers and if they think that it's cowardice to not fight, they were welcome to join up. Dead silent after that
Nononononono
Liberals believe OTHER PEOPLE should die for their beliefs, which are obviously worth doing for, just not for them.
Obviously them having those beliefs makes them too important to actually risk their own well being.
"The war began 12 April 2014, when a fifty-man commando unit headed by Russian citizen Igor Girkin seized Sloviansk in Donetsk oblast. [...] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists", but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans. [...] By late August 2014, Ukraine had re-taken most separatist-held territory and nearly regained control of the Russia–Ukraine border. In response, Russia covertly sent troops, tanks and artillery into the Donbas."
There are plenty of sources listed in the Wikipedia article if you need them. The fighting in Donbass was a territorial annexation conducted by Russia against Ukraine and a precursor to the full-scale invasion that began in 2022. It's no coincidence that this occurred at the same time as the invasion of Crimea.
So you basically only have a very very basic understanding fed to you via anonymous completely unverifiable people that built a narrative using entirely western sources?
What's your opinion on the 2014 coup?
What's your opinion on the language law change that sent 3 regions of Ukraine into revolt seeking independence because they genuinely feared for their lives?
What's your opinion on the trade unionists being burned alive?
What's your actual opinion? Not whatever you can google and dredge up to repeat from a completely different person as if it is your own view. What is YOUR opinion. When is the last time you actually investigated something and formed your own opinion rather than regurgitating someone elses?
What do you think about Ukraine being a Nazi haven and Ukrainian fighters committing ISIS-style war crimes/using illegal cluster munitions in the Donbas? Curious for your opinion!
On that basis, do you think it was justified for Ukraine to bomb the region, kill people living there (which presumably they should want to save from Russia), and violate their ceasefire agreement?
and keep shelling them in violation of what like both minsk agreements
Man this is the most lib shit I've seen on hexbear in forever. Keep going lad
This is a common pattern. Awoo is very good about engaging with liberals in good faith and asking questions that would be easy to answer if the person answering them has a genuine interest in the topic. For some reason, she tends to get ignored. Seems like a thankless task, really.
It's so easy to genuinely engage with them and expose the fact that they actually don't know anything about the topic.
For most of us here, who have an understanding that goes waaaaay beyond that of reading a fucking wikipedia article, it's super easy to get into details that simply aren't covered by them and make them feel out of their depth.
I take this approach because the silence many of them leave is deafening and exposes a lot. But, for a rare few, it makes them actually think about how they don't know anything. For some of them they simply have never had it exposed to themselves that their entire understanding is derived from quickly glossing over a wiki article. The ones that cite wikipedia are the most obvious examples of this, these are the ones with the lowest understanding.
And if they do engage? Well some of them actually end up doing some critical thinking. I find people tend to be more willing to engage over China things than Ukraine. I think people feel more self-assured that what they know about China is true so their confidence levels to engage are higher. It's the lack of confidence that causes them to ignore me @Raebxeh@hexbear.net
I'm not really engaging earnestly with them. I go through the motions fully expecting nothing. I do this because one, it exposes them for lurkers and two, on very rare occasions it sets a person on the path to deprogramming.
The appearance of earnest engagement is just an aesthetic I pull off because it is necessary to achieve both of the above outcomes. Authenticity is the quality I am for but deep down I am jaded and bored of doing this all the time. However I can never bring myself to stop, not given that I've seen first hand the creation of new comrades from it.
Ehh it's the whole "the comment isn't for the person you're responding to, it's for the reader"
Listening to a liberals dumb shit talking points they got filtered through colbert from the Biden campaign has no value.
Her showing that the liberals don't have anything of substance to contribute other than reddit bot comments is way more valuable IMHO.
So it is already apparent that you think NATO encircling it's enemies and waging war around the world is all good and fine but did you ever stop to question why, what am I getting out of this? Upholding neoliberal US hegemony harms everyone and helps no one.
edit It is fascinating how abrupt and vocal a response I get here if I say something negative about Putin. It's also fascinating how many upvotes those responses get. It makes the provenance of this community's opinions fairly obvious.
'anything negative about Putin'
Not anything, we would be fine with criticisms of him from a communist perspective. But you are regurgitating the shallow, chauvinistic Liberal criticisms of him and we can identify that
Right, criticizing him for poisoning political opponents is "shallow"...
having some marvel movie level "have some tea. it's definitely not polonium flavored" quip entirely unrelated to anything and with no further elaboration is
- not "criticizing him for poisoning political opponents" (which political opponents? where is the criticism? referencing something isn't a criticism, jackass)
and
- incredibly shallow, even if we were to generously forgive you for 1), it would be like, the most absolutely shallow "criticism" one could ever possibly make. It's like if I gave you some quip about Hillary Clinton and how you shouldn't work for a Clinton administration if you have a handgun or any history of depression and act like it's some big ass mic drop moment where you're btfo'd and said I levied a serious criticism against the Clintons
it's the most liberal shit since liberals first shat, liberal
it's the most liberal shit since liberals first shat, liberal
glorious, amazing.
aw i wanted to know what this little piss lib had to say to this
The guy he poisoned was a nazi who said he wanted to exterminate every Muslim in Russia, Putin is objectively in the right there
It literally is like one of the two things libs thought about Putin before 2022. They also didn’t know what a Ukraine was.
Why the fuck would an obscure communism forum worship at the feet of the guy who runs the cringe capitalist Russia?
it's almost like we don't but you're too much of an absolutely braindead liberal to really understand much of anything
I bet a year's salary you're blueMAGA
I bet a year's salary that "liberal" is as well-defined a concept for this community as "woke" is for the conservatives.
Funny how quickly the insults come out. Must've touched a nerve.
here's a whole ass song defining it, written about you
I'm certain you are such a blueMAGA liberal that you will listen to this and think Phil Ochs is a republican or some shit
anyway, eat shit lib
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I think I replied to the wrong comment, but honestly this emoji is an appropriate response to every single one of their comments lmao
Idk if there's any chance this generates the fortress of smugness you've built for yourself but just so you know you're basically the high school libertarian who thought he was totally going to own his college professors on day one of Polisci 101
It's very well defined. The term has been used for hundreds of years to refer to specific political attitudes. It was made meaningless by the American political machine, purposefully.
Do an ounce of research and you'll find three closely related definitions used by Marxists here:
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/l/i.htm
Marxism is a political science. It is precise. That is one of it's many strengths.
"Liberal - a politically illiterate person who considers their opinions to be the epitome of reason, compassion, and humor despite being dumb as fuck and equally cruel as the fascists they desperately claim to oppose"
I only read the Terms Of Service, to be honest. Also my wife died and I've been taking it out on others. I'm sorry.
He cited rules on a website though. And if I'm not careful he's going to respond "it rules that your wife is dead" and pwn my languished ass.
contextually, sure
what he says about this has no baring on the outcome - if he said the opposite or was lying, would that change anything? I don't think it would. It seems like a pretty candid observation. Maybe a Trump presidency brings about a negotiated settlement to Russian/Ukranian war -- maybe ol' Donny gets a bug in his pants over something someone says on television and doubles down, hyper commits, no-fly-zone; Cold War 2 becomes World War 3. I'd rather have Biden as an opponent, if I were in Putin's position.
Am I not good enough for snarky replies? was I being too reasonable? Punish me for my sins, punch them holes in my echo-chamber
daddy
Putin says the sky is blue so clearly he's lying about that one too
It makes the provenance of this community's opinions fairly obvious
Lol go back to reddit
Buddy you couldn't punch a hole through a paper bag, let's not kid ourselves here
"I know you are but what am I"
I was expecting a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
I was expecting a battle of wits, but you appear to be unarmed.
This is so good. I'm actually tearing up.
Honestly their last quip is some primo tagline material
My dad has been using that line for 30 years pretty sure they picked it up from a lockhorns comic.
And you are not the one to do it with your stale, worn-out bullshit.
If the echo chamber you are speaking of is your skull then I agree.
I can't think of any other community that encourages critique as much as this one. Outsiders make comments like yours relatively often and people here usually try to discuss the subject instead of just downvoting or insulting like a proper echo chamber would.
The regulars are tired of the same shtick though so they might be rude to commenters like yourself, but there is a wide range of people here and even when I am disagreeing I don't see hostility like basically everywhere else online.
I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth I bet he's lying just so people vote for a senile man >:(
It makes the provenance of this community's opinions fairly obvious.
"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions."
I'm sorry, you seem to be confusing "communist" with "authoritarian dictator". Common mistake, easy to make.
Standing next to a statue quite literally means nothing.
I'm glad you finally see things from our perspective, comrade! Here is an interview with him where he focuses on use-value of intermediary commodities, and here's the speech he delivered to the KPRF 2022 congress, to help you in your new-found interest in Russian historiography.
hahah he isn't even clicking the links ahahhahaa he's engaging without actually engaging lmaoooooo what a lib
we know that you clicked on an image of a pig shitting on its balls multiple times
Yeah I don't know 'bout all that, I'm too dumb a lib. But I do know that Marx wouldn't be caught on Putin's yacht.
Yeah I don't know 'bout all that
we know. and by "all that", you mean "anything". we know
If you had clicked literally any of the links you would have known that was the point we were making in the first place
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
edit It is fascinating how abrupt and vocal a response I get here if I say something negative about Putin. It's also fascinating how many upvotes those responses get. It makes the provenance of this community's opinions fairly obvious.
edit It is fascinating how abrupt and vocal a response I get here if I say something negative about Putin. It's also fascinating how many upvotes those responses get. It makes the provenance of this community's opinions fairly obvious.
We haven't had any smug posting redditors come in a while, don't mistake us making fun of you for thinking anything but
But also gtfo lib
Lmao I've talked shit on Putin and gotten plenty of positive engagement. You think anybody here actually likes putin or Russia being a capitalist regime that hates on LGBT and personalfreedoms? It's because you didn't say anything new. You exhausted your wit with that glib polonium remark. We don't trust putin and we don't trust the state department on putin. You shouldn't either. What can be observed, somewhat impartially, are the things these entities do and their geopolitical machinations come into a degree of focus.
That edit is just primo. Site tagline material.
"it is fascinating how people disagree with me and those comments get more upvotes than my reddit-ass comment. This proves you are all Russian trolls, how dare you compare me to a liberal Alex Jones."
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Yes. There is no reason I see for him to lie in this case. Would it have mattered if he said Trump? No because Republicans would vote for him regardless.
There is a very good reason to lie, all the bad faith actors on here can jump on this and be like, look, see! This is why biden def is equal to trump
I'm not even acting bad faith. Biden objectively has more political experience despite his brain being mush.
Secondly, internet isn't real world. Most people will forget about this in a few days.
Had Putin said Trump, it would have given democrats something to attack Trump with.
Also Biden isn't very different from Trump as Israel has shown us all.
i'm sure that shitty capitalist world leader guy cares at all about people making comments on a niche english-language forum
From what I can tell since Biden doesn't actually have any issues listed on his campaign site, he's running on being a frothing at the mouth Zionist, bombing the only people trying to put pressure on the Zionists to stop their genocide, and "securing the border". But he's more polite about the rabid imperialism and war mongering. Also still owes me $600.
Don't sell yourself short - he promised $2000 checks, so he still owes all of us $2000 checks
Trump didn't put every effort into a genocide, so I don't think you'll find anybody here who would call them equivalent.
Ah yes, Putin was defiantly thinking of niche ML Internet forums when he made this comment.
Is this a bit?
Like do you actually believe people are dunking on you because you said something negative about Putin? Is this the explanation in your head?
Because in reality, people are dunking on you because you had the smug audacity to waltz in here and drop "Actually, I know better because I read a lot of headlines but not a lot of articles, and Putin is literally always a liar, and he physically can't be telling the truth about preferring Biden over Trump, and you guys are idiots for believing this".
You know, instead of challenging the idea that Biden might actually be just as much of a useful idiot for Russia as Trump would be, but a more predictable one
It's not the saying something negative about put in that sets us off, it's the implication in your post that this somehow vindicates the russia gate bullshit, and support of the Biden regime.
Fuck putin I hope he dies painfully immediately
right now I'm filing it in the same category as "pizzagate".
smartest thing you've said
What's fascinating to me is how hostile you are
You're a pissy little weasel with no ability for critical thought.
The irony... it hurts...
Go back to your echo chamber.
Hilarious.
Are you a flat earther because putin said the earth is round? Also do you hate vaccines just because Putin endorses vaccines?
Would you believe a word that comes out of Putin's mouth?
I'm curious what you think his motives for lying would be in this situation? To try and trick Libs into voting for Trump? Cuz that's not gonna happen. If anything this alienates is supporters in the US among the far right so this doesn't strike me as a 5D Backgammon move, I think it's just his genuine opinion.
edit It is fascinating how abrupt and vocal a response I get here if I say something negative about Putin.
It kinda feels like a Morton's Fork situation, and honestly it's just funny as this point. And it doesn't really matter what Putin says in this situation.
Honestly all that needs to be said. Also, I love how all the debate perverts go quiet when they're the ones who start shit. It's because they don't know what they're talking about, but still. I'd like them to have a little more fortitude in their positions.
Yeah, I haven't got the energy or the time to respond to all of the groupthink responses I get here. It's so thick even Hanlon couldn't cut it.
Help! I'm being challenged on my beliefs! Groupthink! 1984!
Got any more buzzwords buddy?
I'm still missing my "linked a NYT Opinion column" square. Did you see that one anywhere?
Please, make literally one criticism of something. Go ahead. Good faith and everything.
Nobody forced you to come into a conversation without doing the reading. It's not groupthink when we're all referring to basic principles you'd learn about if you would only pick up a book.
We will ban you if you insult, demean or harass anyone. That is not welcome behavior. This is distinctly different than ribbing or grilling someone.
Moderators are held to a higher standard than other community members. If a moderator creates an inappropriate situation, they should expect less leeway than others.
From a regular user, I'd just pass this by as "ribbing" per the code of conduct, but you're not just a regular user.
Liberals when their rules based order doesnt apply to commie shitposting forums
You are a baby and you have the political literacy of a baby. Instead of coming here to spout your inane conspiracy theories I would recommend you get help for your derangement.
You are getting the opposite of updoots here because it is readily apparent to everyone else that major political figures including, even especially Putin, are not to be taken at face value, but the great news is that because of the science of historical materialism, we don't have to, we can observe material conditions and deduce for ourselves. So what happens when you come here and state the obvious is that you reveal your own ignorance and immediately get tagged as team
Liberals believe they have the unquestionable right to lecture others on subjects they know nothing about.
Fear not, Don Quixote is here to disabuse you of your delusions! You’re mistaking those giants for windmills! Wake up you stupid sheeple!
Go back to talking about bazinga brain bullshit, you're out of you depths here
Genocide Joe and all who support him (including you) have the blood of thousands of Palestinian children on their (your) hands
The only thing I have to look forward to this year is worms like you crying in November, I hope some of you kill yourselves
Mmm, do you regularly tell other people on the internet that you wish they would commit suicide?
I don't think the high ground is where you think it is.
The high ground is precisely where you set it. If you support genocide, it would be ridiculous to engage you respectfully.
Oooh, someone suddenly lacks reading compression
I said I hope some of you kill yourselves, not that I wish for it
Seriously tho, the moral high ground is far beyond the grasp of a genocide supporting monster like you
Genocide Joe is gonna lose in November
edit It is fascinating how abrupt and vocal a response I get here if I say something negative about Putin. It's also fascinating how many upvotes those responses get. It makes the provenance of this community's opinions fairly obvious.
He didn't even take the time to open the links
go away dweeb
