"I'll call them what they are then - rapist, pedophiles, murderous barbarian hordes." - top comment
Over 4k upvotes for that one now...
I can't stand that fucking shithole. All social media has gotten insane over this, but afaik only one site is publicly throwing a tantrum over not being able to call Russians "Orcs"
"BUT I JUST WANT TO USE MY NEO NAZI VERBAGE TO ATTACK PEOPLE" :rage-cry:
but enough about the US armed forces and mercenaries. Oh wait I'm supposed to deify them even though we have decades of records about all of those things having been done?
they're trying but the mods won't let them because civility fetishism
it's actually a practice they stole from western conservatives in the first place. i've seen losers on /pol/ do that for years. It's the entire ideology behind their "white genocide/great replacement" conspiracy laid out in Turner Diaries, Camp of the Saints, and ideological predecessors like Mein Kampf and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The narrative goes that hordes of swarthy orcs are immigrating to the first world to suck at the teat of welfare. The truth is they're getting a lot of refugees because they keep bombing people. They can't resolve the contradiction so they embrace racism instead.
hordes of swarthy orcs are immigrating to the first world to suck at the teat of welfare
I thought they were taking all the jobs
A lot of them only theoretically exist behind a blockade of means testing
It's even more contradictory because they need these immigrants as the workforce ages and capital needs heads to put boots over instead of working towards post-scarcity. Merkel has been much lauded for "expertly assimilating" over a million refugees in Germany, as if out of some humanitarian concern instead of the cynical ploy that it is. Better that then turning them away, but why not just stop exploiting and wreaking havoc on those nations to begin with?
Aren't there a bunch of like fourth generation Turks in Germany whose ancestors immigrated/were imported after WWII and who have been kept as second class citizens for generations with no hope of getting citizenship?
Yeah, and there's literally articles from 2021 talking about how Turks are finally starting to gain acceptance.
why not just stop exploiting and wreaking havoc on those nations to begin with?
:porky-happy: idk
Are you going with the 'reverse racism' shit, suggesting libs are overly sensitive when conservatives refer to minorities as orcs as opposed to this or is it something else?
I think they're just suggesting that liberals will be (justifiably) angry when conservatives use the 'orc' terminology for minorities, while having no such qualms about anyone using it for Russians
It's OK when libs do it, it's not OK when cons do it. Didn't you get the memo?
it's just a really unpleasant argument when you're deriding western liberals for being sensitive about calling people who've been at the end of untold violence in their western countries orcs, smacks of the reverse racism bits conservatives love to pull.
Conservatives and western liberals are the same group. Slurs also don't magically become ok once you've suffered enough? Wtf?
@Civility You're going to need to call the Vanguard, friend.
They don’t even care if it’s Russians. They just want an Other they can hate.
Meanwhile a verified video of Ukrainian soldiers executing Russian prisoners is downvoted to hell with the comments saying “well, you can’t blame them, it’s war!”
china:
- investing more money into green energy than any other country
- lower per-capita carbon footprint despite making all of america's stuff for them
- higher overall carbon footprint but that's only because they have quadruple america's population
- trying to build socialism
- not constantly invading and occupying foreign countries like America
"ok but what about winnie the pooh" :reddit-logo:
Pooh isn't even banned in China. He has a whole ass ride in Disneyland Shanghai.
It's just this one photo of Pooh and Tigger walking together, it was put next to a photo of Xi and Obama walking together. The resemblance was unmistakable. Everyone got a giggle out of it, which is why it was banned. It's the crime of lese-majeste, mocking the rulers. Disney is a good little obedient corporate servant, still in China after so many multinats have left. They can have a Pooh ride if they want.
China is when I can't call for outright genocide against a race I consider sub human.
:guts-rage: :honk-enraged: :monke-rage: :angery: :rage-cry:
Redditors when you tell them to stop being racist
"Their nation needs to be broken up into ten or so separate countries, their assets placed in international trust, and all denuclearized, and an occupational force established for a generation to prevent the Gaslight Empire from ever reestablishing itself again. Make them have to think for themselves and deal with the endless, boring drudgery of modern dem0r.cracy."
"hahaha. Well played, sir"
"One scenario
-Karelia, Vilpuri and maybe the Murmansk area ceded to Finland -Kuril Islands and maybeeee Sakhalin ceded to Japan. - Königsberg goes to Germany, Poland or direct control from the EU -Some sort of federation of the Caucus republics -Minority areas with separate countries -St Petersburg and surrounding area is either a separate republic or direct control from the EU -Crimea and Donbass returned to Ukraine. It would be a kinda bad idea for Ukraine to begin administering areas like Belgorod, Kursk etc. as they would revolt the second it's convenient for them. -Versailles treaty level reparations -The rest of Russia is a liberal Democratic Republic that has either banned or ostracized far-right and far-left parties to prevent another Nazi Germany.
Another scenario -Kuril Islands given to Japan -Crimea and Donbass are returned to Ukraine -Hold fair independence referendums for ethnic minority regions, conducted by the West. -Russia becomes a free Democratic Republic."
"news flash: germany already said fuck no to königsberg in 91. who wants to feed a poor piece of land populated by foreigners"
"fuck no we don’t want that shitstain königsberg"
"Holy motherf0RKing shirt balls, this is the world I want to live in!"
"their nation is basically a shitstain on humanity at this point."
"Russia never been a proud Country. 650 years of shit. that’s it"
:what-the-hell: :what-the-hell: :what-the-hell:
“Their nation needs to be broken up into ten or so separate countries, their assets placed in international trust, and all denuclearized, and an occupational force established for a generation to prevent the Gaslight Empire from ever reestablishing itself again. Make them have to think for themselves and deal with the endless, boring drudgery of modern dem0r.cracy.”
:padme-1: You mean :amerikkka: , right?
:padme-2: ...You mean :amerikkka:, right?!
i have a feeling half of it is :fedposting: fedposting conducting the orchestra of :posting: true believers
grim either way
I don't think Ukrainian nationalists need any help from the US Feds to be extremely red, mad, and nude on main.
Are those posters mostly Ukrainian nationalists? I was under the impression most of them are just Americans/ Brits commenting on the Ukraine subbredit. Why would a sub full of Ukrainian nationalists all be speaking English to each other? I'm sure some of them are there, but for the most part I believe it's an astroturfed exercise in building a Western consensus, like most of reddit.
Everyone speaks English, Reddit is primarily part of the English speaking internet, and Ukrainians are trying to drum up as much support for their cause as possible.
I'm sure they have Ukrainian forums where they speak Ukrainian.
Everyone speaks English
I know more people learn English than vice-versa because imperialism, but I seriously doubt the plurality of people on the Ukrainian subreddit right now are actually native Ukrainian. Especially after the conflict flared up and there was an international outcry. But even looking through Web Archive back before Euromaidan happened in 2014, the subreddit was full of threads like "can anyone translate this ukrainian for me?" and "me and my girlfriend are visiting odessa." i.e. not natives.
The main country subs are almost always Americans in America. Countries normally have another set of subs for immigrants who actually live there. Natives don’t browse Reddit since it’s only really popular in America.
Versailles treaty level reparations
Yeah because that worked out so well the first time...
We had to occupy russia in response to russia occupying.
Also "the Gaslight Empire" might be the most lib-brained shit I've ever heard.
The toxic, gaslighting empire who does a learned helplessness when you ask it to do chores and is rude on first dates.
Chechnya I guess. Afghanistan before that if you consider Soviet Union Russia.
The Bolsheviks. Don't forget that few if any of them were Russians. Many didn't even speak Russian.
Königsberg goes to Germany
place with zero germans and is disconnected from germany because the wholesome prussian empire started there (learned this on my map game :so-true: )
It was ethnically cleansed after WWII, that's why there's no Germans there. The Russians still occupy the place because it was the capital city of Prussia. A nation that kept invading Russia over and over again. Well the final time they tried, Russia came back, ripped the beating heart out of the place and annexed it to make sure that would never, ever happen again. It's worked so far but we're not out yet.
old old capital of prussia. its just a naval base and like 2% of the area the germans got deported from post ww2. and germany invaded russia like twice the second time was just really fukin bad
Someone should do a :galaxy-brain: US version but with shit like California and Texas balakanised within the balakanised US map.
Good way to get both libs and chuds mad
Versailles treaty level reparations
banned... far-left parties
to prevent another Nazi Germany
Are you fucking serious. Like do I even have to say it
WTF the first comment s ... oh fuck.... thats no tantrum .. thats pure hate .. oh fuck ...scary shit..
But what about their :freeze-peach: ???
Crybabies lmao, "Waaaaah, I can't dehumanise an entire people group in one specific way! Boohoo, I gotta resort to one of the other bajillion words to use! :powercry-2: "
they don't want to seem hypocritical or inconsistent in their liberal democratic values. a lot of people really drink the kool aid. You need that to make the system work. But then the true believers bump up against the contradictions of the cynics and hypocrites.
They lost too much engagement when they drove off all of the Russian bots.
Now, the Russian tops, on the other hand... :top-use-words:
Probably, if they can tell that most of the traffic is coming from an Eglin AFB IP address range.
It would absolutely trigger a meltdown on the level of the Ellen Pao thing.
I enjoy calling Redditors mayos and watching them froth at the mouth. I didn't have any sympathy for them to begin with, but after this, no whiny cracker is ever going to make me feel bad about it ever again.
Tolkien would have never published a single piece of his works if he knew orcs was being used this way.
unfortunately, I disagree.Actually I take that back. I don't disagree but I do think it's more complicated than that. Perhaps Tolkein would object to his orcs being used in this way but it's worth remembering that In a private letter, Tolkien describes orcs as:The Tolkien scholar Dimitra Fimi describes his mentions of "swarthy complexions" and slanted eyes as "straight out of Victorian anthropology, which links mental qualities and physique"
It's also worth noting the "moral geography" of Middle Earth.. Note the depiction of Eastern and Southern cultures as inherently allied with Morgoth/Sauron/Darkness.
Even if Tolkein's racism wasn't deliberate or conscious or ill-intentioned, it was still present.
From Return of the King:
Not too soon came their aid to the Rohirrim; for fortune had turned against Éomer, and his fury had betrayed him. The great wrath of his onset had utterly overthrown the front of his enemies, and great wedges of his Riders had passed clear through the ranks of the Southrons, discomfiting their horsemen and riding their footmen to ruin. But wherever the mûmakil came there the horses would not go, but blenched and swerved away; and the great monsters were unfought, and stood like towers of defence, and the Haradrim rallied about them. And if the Rohirrim at their onset were thrice outnumbered by the Haradrim alone, soon their case became worse; for new strength came now streaming to the field out of Osgiliath. There they had been mustered for the sack of the City and the rape of Gondor, waiting on the call of their Captain. He now was destroyed; but Gothmog the lieutenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; Easterlings with axes, and Variags of Khand. Southrons in scarlet, and out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues. Some now hastened up behind the Rohirrim, others held westward to hold off the forces of Gondor and prevent their joining with Rohan.
Tom Shippey:
Additionally, Tolkien scholar Tom Shippey stated in reference to the 'black men like half-trolls' passage from The Return of the King that Tolkien was attempting to write like a medieval chronicler in describing the Rohirrim's encounter with a Haradrim: " and when medieval Europeans first encountered sub-Saharan Africans, they were genuinely confused about them, and rather frightened." He noted that Tolkien had pointed out in his early scholarly works "the ancient English seemed to have a belief in fire-demons, who naturally enough had skin like soot – their word for them, ‘harwan’, is related to Latin ‘carbo’, ‘soot,’ or carbon." Shippey concluded by remarking that, "An Anglo-Saxon meeting an African for the first time might then really wonder - for a moment, from a distance - whether this was a demon from his own mythology. This doesn't mean that Tolkien shared the mythology, or the mistake."
I think more influential to Tolkein's perspective than simple medieval chronicling, was the much more recent violent encounters British colonial troops had with the indigenous people of India and Africa.
Good post. I meant like, more to justify war. I think he would really hate to see it applied to real people to dehumanizing them to justify violence against them. Hell, he had that issue with the actual orcs in his own works that he never lived to figure out a better way to depict them.
It's not really surprising. It's a national sub, and all the national subs are full of the worst kind of chuds. And they've been invaded, which is going to make people slightly upset. And the loudest voices are going to be the angriest, dumbest, meanest nationalists, because it's a national sub and because Ukraine (not exceptional among nations) is full of hardcore right wing nationalists.
