Fun fact! The three-fifths compromise continues today in a different form. While incarcerated people are not allowed to vote, they do count for the population of the area they’re imprisoned in for representation. These areas tend to be rural and conservative, and opposed to the wants of the people imprisoned.
Oh cool, I'd never made that connection :agony-yehaw: :amerikkka:
Fun fact! Slavery never ended in the United States as prisoners are explicitly still counts as slaves as per the 13th amendment.
Prison Gerrymandering is a neat trick used to both disenfranchise imprisoned citizens and artificially inflate the voter base of conservative politicians.
Every day I wake and learn something else awful about this monstrous country.
"They weren't nearly as stupid and evil as they could have been" seems to be a pretty common defense of the Founding Fathers and I just wanna know why
Mostly because everyone assumes that all white people at the time all supported racism and slavery but people like John Brown and Karl Marx existed. It's difficult but not impossible to find not racist white people in the 1800s
There have always been abolitionists, like right from the very start of the African slave trade. But if you admit that you have to admit that all the slave owners knew that what they were doing was wrong.
To illustrate, in 1511 Pedro de Cordoba and his fellow monks publicly denounced and excommunicated everyone in Hispaniola in the sermon Ego sum vox clamantis in deserto. At church on Sunday, when everyone would be there.
His opinion on the slaveowners was
-All of you are in mortal sin; in it you live and in it you die.
-In the state you are, you cannot be saved, as your behavior is equal to a lack of faith in Jesus Christ, and you have no desire for it
-If you continue mistreating the Indians, know for sure that the sins you confess will not receive absolution.So yeah, they knew from the start that they were monsters, because fellow white people were calling them fucking monsters.
Christianity is kind of this grand historical tragedy because it's produced a lot of amazing individuals and thinkers while being on the whole a massive oppressive force. Catholics originated the idea of universal human rights in Europe when they declared that people in the Americas were human beings with souls just like everyone in the old world, then Catholics (presumably not the same Catholics) went on to enslave and murder millions and millions of people.
-If you continue mistreating the Indians, know for sure that the sins you confess will not receive absolution.
I was raised catholic and I want to point out how dire this proclamation is, even the normally-unforgivable mortal sins don't retroactively make all of your other sins unforgivable. This dude fucking rules.
He was also head Spanish Inquisitor for the Americas at the time. So it's not some rando firebrand.
The Inquisition in general is such a weird historical moment. It started off trying people who accused other people of witchcraft because believing that magic and witchcraft were real and that the devil could give people magic powers was heretical.
Also, the founding fathers really show their asses about how they knew slavery was bad and wrong as they lived in constant fear of slave revolts in general and the Haitian revolution specifically. Instead of supporting people fighting for freedom against a colonial oppressor (like how they claimed they were doing in the revolutionary war) they embargoed them and refused to recognize their legitimacy.
There have been people opposed to slavery since the invention of slavery.
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"Compromises on the path toward ending slavery" led directly to Civil War, because the Southern reactionaries didn't want to end slavery
The entire reason of the Three Fifths compromise was simply kicking the can down the road. They were not committed to a permanent solution, or even paving the way towards a permanant solution. Many Founding Father's actually assumed slavery was on the way out because it wasn't actually that profitable.
THAT IS until the invention of the cotton gin, which was rocket fuel in the engine of slavery
how about the 'beat the confederate fucks to a pulp' rule, i like that better
I mean that is technically true but legally declaring black people as less than human is not what you would call a good thing
Dude, that's not even that.
"Oh but if slaves counted as full people then the slavers would make them vote for them to be kept slaves" is a garbage take so stupid that obviously ends up in a yank history book, death to america
Not that they "couldn't vote", slaves quite literally weren't people, legally.
It's not that, it's for the house of representatives so the slavers would have got more congressmen to support slavery laws. Obviously everyone involved was an awful person. :john-brown: It's still morally reprehensible. I am not defending the north in the 1800s, because they were still very racist, and I am definitely not defending the south, because they had slavery which is one of the most evil things possible.
you can tell bluechecks are nazis because none of these worthless pundits has said the phrase "Kamala Harris' slave firefighters"
https://www.yahoo.com/video/california-relies-on-inmate-fire-crews-who-say-the-dangerous-job-is-little-better-than-slave-work-152724997.html
Lol, is this some of that famous both sides, reaching across the aisle, bipartisanship that's worshipped in Congress?
Also, "path towards ending slavery" is doing a shit ton of lifting here. It took eighty fucking years before it was overturned and in the end it still required fighting the deadliest war in US history before that could be done.
The last US style, chain em up at night and whip em hard R slave was freed in 1942. Recently learned this fact, slavery wasn't actually formerly made illegal till the 20th century, and the law wasn't enforced until an order was given to US prosecutors enforce this law because continuing the practice of slavery was a bad look the enemy would inevitably use in anti-US propaganda.
slavery was a bad look
Ahh yes, the actual reason it ended. Can't give the commies an inch.
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The last US style, chain em up at night and whip em hard R slave was freed in 1942
Can I get a source on this, because holy fuck.
Their name was Alfred Irving. That might help googling, idk.
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/89051115
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/2387477/alfred-irving-held-in-slavery
https://erenow.net/modern/slavery-by-another-name/18.php
Couldn't find much details about the case, but from what I can tell, a white father and daughter in rural Texas kidnapped a mentally disabled black man and forced him to work as a slave for some indeterminate amount of years.
Not to mention that the United States was one of the last nations on earth to end the practice of chattel slavery (yes I know about the 13th amendment and neoslavery but table that for a second). The only other nation that had slavery for longer than the U.S. was Brazil I think? Any other nations I'm missing?
all it did was enshrine slavery into the constitution
Meh. Absent the 3/5th Compromise, you'd still have had de facto slavery. All this accomplished was reconcile a political tug-of-war between the industrial north and agricultural south by splitting the difference.
the Fugitive Slave Clause and the law allowing the international slave trade for 20(?) years
The Fugitive Slave Act was hands-down the worst piece of legislation (re: slavery) passed in the nation's history, as it reversed out the status of "Free States". Consequently, the ostensibly free state of New York became a central hub of slave trafficking. No law prohibiting slavery had any teeth when the federal government could simply claim you a fugitive, seize you, and re-enslave you.
One of the stark consequences of this law - illustrated in "12 Years A Slave" - was that any freeman could be snatched off the streets and enslaved.
The 3/5ths compromise is the literal result of compromising with slavers. Peak liberalism.
Only three fifths of every slaver remains intact, they can choose what two fifths to give away.
