:Ohnoes:
I don't want ukraine turned into Afghanistan because I love putin.
according to this chart not wanting to waste hundreds of billions on arming and training literal nazis in a free-for-all warzone that openly recruits fascists from all over Europe means "gaaaaaaaay for puuuuutin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtZUeHmpV6A
the liberal perception of the anti-war movement
This is not a video about him feeling contrition.
Talking for 13 minutes and saying literally 1.5 things is a fucking talent, man. Here's a full summary:
"Damn tankies don't know the USSR fell [...] Some of them are on about NATO expansion (which he completely walks past, promising another video) [...] don't listen to historians and political theorists; listen to war nerds" And then a full 6 minutes of him nitpicking the correct semantic context of the term 'cauldron' and how it's a giveaway to identify non-war nerds.
Jesus christ that's depressing. Oh and Radio War Nerd have bad takes on ukraine by his standards so that's fun. I love that first part, like the libs cannot accept that even without the USSR, we dont accept NATO as the winner and thus our lord
The real bullshit is now I have to stay on top of his videos so I can post the Part 2 he suggested where he actually answers the one salient point he grants the other side.
Radio War Nerd have bad takes on ukraine by his standards
People really showing their true colours when they think 'war is bad' is a bad take
You may have subscribed to some youtube channel that's all of a sudden having terrible takes about Ukraine. But think about it. Why did you follow them in the first place? Was it for things like international relations? Or did you first start to like their work talking about community organizing? The thing is, a lot of these people have their heart in the right place but they're just out of their depth.
And when you're actually organizing, you spend a lot less time on hexbear.net making sure all of your opinions are correct. I'll be real - if I weren't so terminally online, I'd probably be one of those "Chinese genocide" people because I'm a sucker for emotionally-driven narratives like that and there aren't a lot of committed leftists in my life right now. It's easy to get swept up in all of that stuff, and once the opinions are formed it's a lot harder to unwind them.
Reminder to the Libs:
! We at Hexbear have the Supreme Command of the Russian Armed Forces ! So if you find Libs trying to find someone to blame .... please guide them towards us.... we are literally responisble ! .. thats how "Geopolitics" works apperently... if we reach "90% = Russia bad" - purity it will all end !
"Cognitive Dissonance as a Result of Your Liberalism: A Self-Care Guide"
I remember before the invasion, that this site was clowning him for saying people near the border should take a long weekend 'just in case'
Wasn't that bad of a take after all
Please tell me this is Beau talking shit about himself... he seems cool.
He unfortunately has a shoddy history, which included trafficking eastern European people to the US to work there. Probably explains his opinions on Ukraine, that.
I think he talked about this in a past video, there is a file of the case circulating around. I don't think he ever hid that he supports people crossing the border for a better life, whatever that means.
he profited off of selling their labor to florida hotels for less than minimum wage and packing twenty people into a condo at a time, and threatening deportation as a cudgel. This was not him supporting people
The fact that he tries to spin it as supporting people crossing the border is incredibly fucked.
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal-hrsp/legacy/2010/07/29/09-21-07threemen-indictment.pdf
Weird how this only came up recently, like suddenly we don't like him. I don't support character assassination, unless we are becoming libs. Regardless of his past, if you don't like his takes that's fine. If you bring up his past (rumor or verified) just to take him down just because of a disagreement, then we are no better.
It's not about "not liking takes" when he literally takes the same stance as the US state department.
For the sake of argument, let's say he "used" to. You are going to judge him just on that? Ignore all the good he did? Don't forget, there are some in this site who "used" to be ideologically different in the past. Don't like him, that's fine. Don't agree with him, that's fine. But don't do that, dont judge someone because they used to be someone else in the past if they changed. Go after his current opinion. Not his past.
I am not the one who is currently saying "I will work with right wingers". How is that different from someone like Jimmy Dore or Caleb Maupin? Also, he is literally pro NATO and thinks it's good to fight for Ukraine. That's straight up fash behavior. I wouldn't even think about defending someone like that.
How is that different from someone like Jimmy Dore or Caleb Maupin
Ok, first of all, they are grifters and opportunists. So dont compare them to him, the man actually does good work. Second, I dont agree with his take on "working with right wingers" but is not like he hid this part of his character before. He used to give speeches on right-libertarian circles, that's on him.
he is literally pro NATO and thinks it’s good to fight for Ukraine.
Yeah, and that's ok to point out.
That’s straight up fash behavior.
No, you said, he was "ex fash" and that's it, you used his past against him. Listen, I know some people who support Ukraine and their right to defend themselves and have arguments with it. But I dont go around bringing up whatever past they used to have, or previous ideology or beliefs as a counter argument, that's lazy and slime. As I said, you dont need to like him, just dont used his past. THat's gross.
I have stuff in my past that I am not proud of, but I would find it gross if someone would bring it up as a way to counter my arguments, instead of debating the actual argument, dont do that.
Sounds a lot like you're projecting. If anyone is encouraging to fight alongside Nazi groups then they're by association Nazi. Don't lecture me on what to say about some random white YouTuber who continues to have right wing takes masquerading as a left winger. Pointing out that you also had a lot of right wing takes isn't some redeeming moment to POCs like me. I don't feel comfortable with how openly white dudes say "I used to be ex fash but I am now left wing but still talk along the same line as right wingers on many topics".
Trafficking humans to work is wage slaves isn't some good thing either. You should really think about it before defending him.
Trafficking humans to work is wage slaves isn’t some good thing either.
so, tell the people who want to move to a different place to survive to just stay? I dont disagree with you with becoming a wage slave and the problems of brain drain, but if someone wants to move to a different location for "reasons" they should be allowed to do it.
projecting
oh, now you are putting me in the spotlight? Is this fine with yuou? you dont know me, dont do that.
I don’t feel comfortable with how openly white dudes say “I used to be ex fash but I am now left wing but still talk along the same line as right wingers on many topics”.
Fine, you dont have to feel comfortable. And I am telling you using someone's past is not a good enough argument, is lazy.
If anyone is encouraging to fight alongside Nazi groups then they’re by association Nazi.
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. It was a bad idea, but dont pretend like this is new or unusual.
? didn't you just use yourself as a comparative example? why bring it up if you didn't want to open yourself up to commentary?
I said me and others, as in general, not specific. People constantly change, that's nothing new. are you telling me you never changed? you never had bad takes/ideas in thepast?!
uh well no, i'm not saying i've never had terrible takes or done terrible things. i don't really share your (apparent?) belief that those things can be fully divorced from who i am now, or that my changing frees me from criticism of my past actions or beliefs.
that aside, while simply dismissing him as "ex-fash" may be reductive or whatever, given his opinions still seem heavily tinted by his past experiences and beliefs, i don't really see the harm in doing so? like it seems to flavor his current mindset pretty heavily, which should not be a controversial thing to suggest
that aside, while simply dismissing him as “ex-fash” may be reductive or whatever, given his opinions still seem heavily tinted by his past experiences and beliefs, i don’t really see the harm in doing so?
sure, but that's not what I am seeing. All I see is people posting/saying he is "ex fash" without context, just saying it and moving on without making a good argument like that's enough.
i count like one person doing that, but i also don't necessarily care enough to go through and verify. i just don't think defending him is worthwhile at this juncture
I said not good enough if one wants to make an argument about why their current position is wrong. read the comments.
