• star_wraith [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Kinda funny though, last night I was checking out evangelical twitter expecting them to be doing victory laps and general gloating. Nope! Just a bunch of sore winners going on about how the big bad lefties are gonna be PERSECUTING them now!

    They really are just awful, awful people.

    • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Again even when winning chuds cannot live without the victim narrative that seems to be a foundation of ur-fascism (i.e. the enemy is both weak but also powerful and abusive).

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I mean they send their kids to summer camps where they're trained to hide from the UN religion police and forced to LARP their refusal to deny Jesus while they have fake guns held to their heads. This is a real thing that people do in America.

        • CTHlurker [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Where can I get an invitation to Squid Game Chud Edition? Sounds extremely funny to me.

  • Slaanesh [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    What would voting for the dems this year do in relation to Roe v Wade? The dems have the power to stop it. They have had the power to protect abortion rights for decades. Why would they do anything different now.

    All these analysts have said the conservitives wouldn't actually go through overturning it because it's a great wedge issue. But again the ball is in their court "My leftist opponent would legalize abortions!".

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      What would voting for the dems this year do in relation to Roe v Wade? The dems have the power to stop it.

      "B-but Manchin and Sinema. We just need a couple more senators, then we can fix things for sure."

      • Slaanesh [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        More boss babes in cute skirts! Libs are now calling for sanctions against red states. That'll forsure help the People facing the brunt of this ruling.

        Seriously, if anyone here is affected and can get to Canada easily. You have a free place to stay, with health clinics nearby.

        • ugly_disabled_cishet [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Libs are now calling for sanctions against red states.

          It really is too bad that libs don't carry little pocket constitutions with them, otherwise they would have heard about a little Import-Export Clause that makes this difficult to impossible. Why are Americans so in love with passing performative, anti-constitutional laws?

          • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Why are Americans so in love with passing performative, anti-constitutional laws?

            Because that's what the constitution itself always was

                • ugly_disabled_cishet [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  The constitution cannot be performative because until the state withers away, it is what dictates material conditions in the US.

                  Saying otherwise is pure ideology.

                    • ugly_disabled_cishet [none/use name]
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                      3 years ago

                      Politicians knowingly violating the constitution are just seeing how far they can bend the powers of government to their will. Shibboleth's to the constitution are performative, the document is not. At times the document enshrined racialized slavery, alcohol prohibition, and other ills. As written, punitive slavery is still legal and good. The law can grant further rights that don't exist in the constitution but it cannot violate the document. It is not the concept of the constitution that drives America, America is the constitution and very little else.

              • Wertheimer [any]
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                3 years ago

                The Articles of Confederation were illegally overturned, according to the true originalists.

                • ugly_disabled_cishet [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  Sorry sweaty, but losers don't get to write history. The Articles of Confederation had defects incompatible with life. Their government was delivered stillborn so the founding fathers set to conceiving a new one. It was either that or perish in a revolution or civil war.

                  • Wertheimer [any]
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                    3 years ago

                    Pretty disrespectful of them to value their own lives more highly than a sacred document.

      • Neckbeard_Prime [they/them,he/him]
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        3 years ago

        :maybe-later-kiddo: Sorry, sweaty, the Senate Parliamentarian says we can't legislate Federal-level reproductive rights!

    • GreatWhiteNope [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      The lib argument would be that if we can get a dem supermajority, they could codify it into law.

      This assumes that 60 democratic senators would vote to guarantee abortion as a right and that the Supreme Court would not overturn the law.

      It’s true that they could have done this in 2008, but maybe Roe actually being overturned would make them feel it’s necessary now.

      So lots of wishful thinking essentially.

      • Slaanesh [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        It was a political move to not codify it into law. And if they gave a shit it would have been a bad move not to do so. Now they need to either put the issue aside or run on pro abortion rights. Neither is politically beneficial to them. Dems continue to be their own worst enemy.

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    What was the final verdict in Reform or Revolution again?

    • Civility [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Taking RUSSIAN advice

      on an American election

      So are you a registered Republican or just an ""independent"" too braindead to spend 2 minutes reading or even watching a single one of the literally thousands of articles and videos detailing what they've done to our democracy over the past 6 years.

      Who am I kidding, I think we both know the real answer mr "RedArmor".

      What time is it in Moscow?

        • Civility [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Sure 🙄 and Melania is 'Slovenian'.

          Any more women from 2nd world countries you'd like to pretend aren't Putin's pawns?

        • Civility [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Staying late then Comrade? Good work! Comrade Putin would be proud! Keep it up and you might earn yourself a transfer to Crimea where they still have decadent capitalist luxuries like bitumen roads and toilets that actually flush!

    • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      the only thing that their particular brand of idealism lionizes more than empty plattitudes is martyrdom for a just cause, preferrably if the martyr is somebody else than their privileged ass.

      Example: remember how :open-biden: gloated over how powerful it was when George Floyd cried out for his mother when the life was choked out of him? she did nothing that would prevent the mothers of other black people from going through the same loss, she just bathed in the smugness of being able to merely pretend to be on the right side of history while fully benefitting from the murderous and inhumane status quo she props up. This kind of spectacle, this act of turning the marginalized into icons of virtuous suffering against their own will is the lifeblood of the American liberal.

      So if the new wave of clericofascist legislation leads to trans kids killing themselves because they are forced through the permanent damage of going through the wrong puberty, if it leads to women having to deliver their rapist's baby, if it leads to further gay bars being firebombed and further abortion clinics being shut down, this is what these ghouls want. They want it just as much as the Republicans they adore so much. It is part of their act - the worse the dominionist fascists lash out, the more they repress us, the more leeway the Dems have in being the Lesser Evil.

      For the American left, there is hardly a need more pressing than to break this all-smothering cultural hegemony. The time has come to unite everybody who gets trampled on in today's America. The nurses, the service and warehouse workers, the ravaged old working class, the victims of racist border regimes and overpolicing and land theft, the targets of patriarchal and queerphobic hatred, the slaves in the industrial prison complex, the army of all those America oppresses domestically to keep its rotten, corrupt system afloat at the expense of the entire rest of the world.

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        For the American left, there is hardly a need more pressing than to break this all-smothering cultural hegemony.

        I think the pressing question is how. we made real gains following the Floyd protests - like a seriously huge influx of new blood to most left orgs in major cities, small or large - but that hasn't translated to any movement in the war of position. like the libs are hushedly talking about taking direct action against the state if this draft is made official, but they don't have the organization to see these things through but they're all also simultaneously whining about how tired they are. so whatever happens will either be a whimper or the spontaneous and provoked rage of the class.

        an enraged response would be the best possible thing that could happen because it would immediately force the supreme court to back down. and that makes a clear delineation between effective and ineffective action: voting and symbolic protest accomplished nothing but direct action nipped the ruling in the bud. it's so stark that it'd be hard to miss. but I'm not sure agitation is going to provoke an immediate response. it does feel like the tension is ratcheting up the way it was right before occupy or the Floyd protests, though.

  • ides_of_Merch [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    "the left"

    he used scare quotes because neoliberals have already destroyed any anti-capitalist resistance

    toddler

    the "adults in the room" are physically incapable of seeing the emperor has no clothes. This is what it means to be subject to ideology

  • ScotPilgrimVsTheLibs [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Liberalism is just bottoming but for politics.

    :bottom-speak: <- Do not let his UwU demeanor fool you comrade, he is your enemy.

  • ScotPilgrimVsTheLibs [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Just peaked at r/Enough_Sanders_Spam, and sure enough. They are blaming Bernie and people that supported him, and claiming that we're all CHUDs in disguise.

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        damn shame about the 21 bluedogs who appeared out of nowhere to prevent the democrats from overriding a fillibuster. nothing could be done about that. see, if the democrats held EVERY seat, then they'd be able to do something. but without that... aw shucks.

  • Philosoraptor [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    "Boy, I can't wait to see the look on your face when we do another totally ineffectual thing and you get everything you want again! You're going to look so silly!"

  • MasterShakeVoice [undecided]
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    3 years ago

    If the donkeyparty had 10 12 more senators, they could finally pass means tested tax credits for abortion providers in historically black neighborhoods!