like i get it, the propaganda machine is strong, but after the draft for roe v wade being overturned i just don’t see what would compel someone to support the democrats and keep voting blue. they’ve had decades upon decades to codify it (they could’ve recently, they control everything right now and they also had a supermajority when obama was first elected) like they’ve done very, very little to show they actually care about women’s rights (and everyone’s really) it’s insane. even now, biden could pack the courts or biden could end the filibuster so they could codify it now and do some jurisdiction stripping so the supreme court can’t rule it unconstitutional. and idk how the fact they aren’t isn’t disillusioning for the average democrat voter, it seems the message they’re taking away is that this is trump’s fault for appointing that one judge and they need to :vote: harder.
it’s mind boggling but it’s also just so incredibly sad, idk what it will take to show them that these people don’t care about them
They keep saying "we don't live in a dictatorship, biden can't do whatever he wants" like okay whyd he run on shit he can't do then
So the US is a Republican dictatorship by liberal admission?
Wonder what these people would think if you started asking for the most basic of things, like a new constitution not written by slave owners and a truth and reconciliation commission on state crimes.
Even when South Africa was forced down the IMF debt trap and had no USSR to support us after apartheid ended we managed to achieve this. Even with western vultures everywhere forcing Mandela to take a terrible deal.
They keep saying “we don’t live in a dictatorship, biden can’t do whatever he wants”
So what is bad about voting for Trump then?
One, modern Democratic partisans can't conceive of political organizing and cadre-building in the same way Republicans can. Literally, these people believe voting, occasionally attending protests, and writing your Congressman is the ceiling of political participation. And actually Democratic party cadres are perfectly content keeping it that way because they are chiefly focused on national-level positions for the purposes of resume-building, and the Democratic Party model us to demobilize its voter base outside of election season. They actively despise the activist wing of their own party for making them look bad on camera and on the internet.
Secondly, admitting what's really wrong with the country and the party would require them to look inward and acknowledge that the party affiliation around which they've based their identity isn't as virtuous as they'd like to believe. But the whole basis of Democrat partisan identity is performstive virtue - you're a Democrat because you recognize some of the problems in society, and that the Democratic Party is the only party trying to fix them, and that makes you a better person than a Republican. When prophecy fails, its much easier to double down on your dogma than to confront an existential identity crisis.
Its a cognitohazard to browse it regularly but /r/neoliberal really is a decent cross-section if the partisan Democrat mindset.
republicans at least get what they want. they want christianity, abortion, guns and low taxes and Republicans give it to them. Democrat voters want abortion rights and healthcare and democrats always say its not the right time. democrats are the most worthless.
Honestly it feels like they are just desperately trying to keep the Republicans on board the money gift that is America. Luke they don't give a shit about anything else, they just want too keep the exploitation train rolling, but the Republicans keep pushing us toward an actual constitutional crisis of one sort or another.
Honestly wondering if this will eventually lead to another crisis in which capital will be forced to purge itself of it's fascist christian element by force to preserve the status quo for the capitalist establishment. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking by me and any justice will have to be earned by the worker rightfully usurping of this nation.
Honestly I don't know, that basically what the civil war was. So maybe we will see it happen again if the hogs overturn the apple cart too much, American capital is too dependent on non white evangelicals to go back into that box.
If that time ever comes a purge of the old guard (and similar styled) democrats would need to occur very swiftly for any type of leftist inroads to be established in a successive government that would arise from such instability (i.e. a "we are what remains of legitimate political power besides the raving racists so yes you will let us into the power structures so this shit don't burn to Hell and back").
Capitalism will never produce a stable system. Capitalists are always trying to exert further control out of their own self-interest. It's absolutely amazing that they have that little self control. People like FDR then have to step in (with the popular support of millions of workers lol) to be their caretakers.
Their lives are too comfortable to be ruined by their policies. They just don't understand how poor people are. They think you're poor if your household income is $75k but can't fathom anyone making less.
They will need to make a good faith effort to do something about abortion or their political rivals will brand them as ineffective. Biden will do something at the last minute, like holding infrastructure spending hostage if states ban abortion.
i could see that happening, my question is do you think the republican law makers in those states would care about infrastructure spending though? idk much about the infrastructure bill that’s being proposed but it just seems like the average republican politician is against any government spending that isn’t for the military. i feel like the average republican voter in the state would give a shit though and it would cause them to hate biden even more and become emboldened in their support for the gop
Can't wait to see one of these ghouls loudly proclaiming that they've saved this state's babies while a hospital maternity ward collapses behind them
yeah I think highway funding has some kind of conditions on it already
The 1984 National Minimum Drinking Age Act prevents states from selling alcohol to persons under 21 or the federal government will withhold highway funds.
there's got to be at least a few republican governors who would seriously consider giving up federal highway funding in exchange for banning abortion
This talk about codifying Roe is a real downgrade. Turning reproductive rights into a privilege which gets flipped on and flipped back off again every time we have an election is not a victory. It's better than just letting the fundies ban it entirely, but it is completely untenable.
well yeah it should be added as an amendment so it’s protected by the constitution but honestly we just need a new constitution as a whole obviously
People are mostly motivated by negative partisanship. They just refuse to consider anything outside of the republican-democrat spectrum and they hate the republicans so they're stuck with democrats. It literally doesn't matter how bad they are or how little they do because that's the extent of what they perceive their options to be.
People are so easily manipulated and they believe the same tired bullshit over and over again, and that’s why I’m a doomer. The amount of propaganda and stupidity is breathtaking.
Now I’m just waiting for things to get so awful and dire to the point that maybe some people can wake from the stupor and finally come to the right conclusions.
I think most normal people don't stay tuned into politics or are a majority, politics are just a reflection of the Middle class copeing with declining conditions but also realize that even right now the material conditions are changing right now, they can't stop the end of this death machine anymore than light can escape a singularity,
(don't @ me I know what a Penrose sphere is) entropy will keep on ticking away, all that Matters in the now is how many people get hurt in the process.
The majority of Americans with any political investment believe the opposing party is always thwarting their agenda, no matter how much power is truly held.
but after the draft for roe v wade being overturned i just don’t see what would compel someone to support the democrats and keep voting blue
I guess time will tell what happens next. But I think the Fear Of Republicans will continue to be good for at least 40% of all elected offices into the foreseeable future. And so long as Dems are a captured party, people will still use :vote: as a means of burning off the tension that comes with political frustration.
biden could pack the courts or biden could end the filibuster so they could codify it now
While I suppose he could, I honestly don't know if anything good would come of it at this point. The current crop of elected Dems would still suck and any appointments/legislation they advanced would be guaranteed to suck.
it’s mind boggling but it’s also just so incredibly sad, idk what it will take to show them that these people don’t care about them
Just for starters, the propaganda machine needs to start winding down or breaking apart. Until that happens, we're all stuck feeling too alienated and terrified of one another to attempt any kind of radical action.
you’re absolutely right that any judge biden appoints will be terrible, i was just pointing out they have many options
but hey here’s to the propaganda machine winding down and breaking apart
The time to pack the courts was January 2021. This decision is about as good as done and there won't be another chance to review it for perhaps 5-10 years. The only hope for America is that a justice or two kills over before the decision is officially published and thus the vote goes down 4-4 or is 4-3 against with a new majority opinion. Feckless democrats will tell you to :vote: but historically they should expect to lose seats in the midterms. If democrats somehow keep all their seats then expect them to learn all the wrong lessons from this fiasco and to gamble away more of our rights and freedoms for the sake of winning elections in "the most important election of our lifetime".
Oh shit, that is what they said last time. Oh fuck, that bs argument won them the 2020 election. Well anyway, expect conditions to decline even faster as dems put a second mortgage on your rights to bet it all at the electoral casino.
The dems will never pack the court, but if they did, you can guarantee that the hogs will storm govt buildings and lead a coup. We’re basically held captive to their constitutional system. Any attempt to circumvent it will result In them seizing power to stop it.
you can guarantee that the hogs will storm govt buildings and lead a coup
They'll storm a building and do a TikTok dance, maybe. But they aren't any more in control than we are.
