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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Yesterday's discussion post.

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    Intelslava:

    • Achieving peace in Ukraine is impossible without the elimination of the current Kyiv regime, controlled from the outside - LNR Ambassador to Russia.

    • Authorities of Kherson region will turn to the President of Russia with a request to include the region into Russia - deputy head of the military-civilian administration of the region. The deadlines have been announced: by the end of the year, the Kherson region will pass under the legislation of Russian federation

    I guess this will lengthen the war, maybe it will take a year or more as western analysts claim if Russia is just gonna start carving bits off now. And there's no way that Ukraine will agree to also losing Kherson - they were already adamantly against losing Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk, and they were virtually never gonna go back to being Ukrainian. Looks like diplomacy is over and it's military all the way unless Zelensky is Minecrafted and somebody with more sense takes his place and surrenders to Russia.

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
      ·
      3 years ago

      I guess this will lengthen the war, maybe it will take a year or more as western analysts claim if Russia is just gonna start carving bits off now. And there’s no way that Ukraine will agree to also losing Kherson - they were already adamantly against losing Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk, and they were virtually never gonna go back to being Ukrainian.

      I wouldn't jump to that conclusion Ukraine still not negotiating in good faith, the last hopeful attempt in Turkey was beginning to show some progress and then the UK/US NATO intervened and told Zelensky to walk back on his compromises.

      I think the length of the war is up to the US to decide. Certainly the current massive expenditure can't continue for long, all of this is being done at the expense of EU, how long until Europeans start getting angry?

      We saw the whole "war in Europe" rhetoric white people suffering oh no. But European history is also full of conflict between Germany/France/UK/Austria/Spain/Portugal/Netherlands all historically fought each other at some point, you know competing colonial/imperialist interests.

      Then I don't see how Biden can justify another Iraq/Afghanistan level of spending in the middle of a recession. I believe if the US gave their blessing we could have peace within a week of negotiations.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        all of this is being done at the expense of EU, how long until Europeans start getting angry?

        It can last a very, very long time. Since WWII one of the most powerful liberal brainworms in Europe has been "America good". Directly challenging American interests would run counter to everything they believe in.

        Of course there will be a point at which pure ideology can no longer distract from material reality but that point is far, far away. It's a hell of a lot farther away than freeze peach, almost as far out as private property.

      • StuporTrooper [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Then I don’t see how Biden can justify another Iraq/Afghanistan level of spending in the middle of a recession.

        They'll use some faux Keynseian logic. More weapons building to boost the economy.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      AFAIK Kherson is not predominantly Russian and a Russian administration there would be more likely to meet resistance than in the Donbass. Could this talk about Kherson joining the Russian Federation be meant more to apply pressure on the Kiev government, scaring them to negotiate before they lose the southern half of the country, rather than a Russian desire to take over Kherson?

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        AFAIK Kherson is not predominantly Russian and a Russian administration there would be more likely to meet resistance than in the Donbass.

        Russia seems to know this; again from Intelslava: "Kherson region decided not to hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, the region will try to become part of Russia without this procedure - the authorities of the region"

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Ukraine better surrender soon if they don’t want to lose Odessa region and Zaporizhzhia region…

      The longer Zelenskyy plays this game, the more Ukraine is going to disintegrate

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Makes sense, Russia is already occupying most of it. I wonder once Phase 2 is done and the entire Donbass is under DPR/LPR control, then whether a hypothetical Phase 3 will begin which will finish off Zaporozhie and perhaps Mykolaiv and Odessa?

          • anoncpc [comrade/them]
            ·
            3 years ago

            Are you surprised? Putin already warn Kiev government about losing more territory from the first negotiations? It’s the US and UK keep pumping in money, make surprise visit tell Elensky to continue this charade to last Ukrainian.

          • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
            ·
            3 years ago

            Considering the current pace of the offensive though, it may take maybe even more than a year, so there’s still dark says ahead for both the Ukrainian and the Russian-speaking people of that country.

            Yeah, I was originally thinking about 6 months or so (so, 3-4 more months) to get the entire Donbass, though I've seen some ideas floated around that once Russia gets a few breakthroughs in the front, and Ukraine is sufficiently weakened, then they can start rolling up Ukraine's forces all the way to the Dniper river. So that would presumably shorten the operation and that we're just in the slow phase before the pressure is too much and it all crumples at "once" (still weeks to months).

            But if Russia decides to take more, I could see this taking a year or longer. Especially depending on how much weaponry Ukraine is stockpiling in their cities and fortifications away from the front (more safe), versus taking it to the front (less safe). Of course, all the weaponry in the world won't help you without enough men to use it.

            And of course you have to wonder if all this ugly shit could have been avoided if the negotiations weren’t used as an excuse for grandstanding from Ukraine, or if this would have been the result anyway. Hell, or simply if Ukraine had actually done something about the Neo-Nazi influence in the country and continued the pre-2004 neutral foreign policy.

            Yeah. Though speculating on alternative realities is basically non-falsifiable whatever you predict so, for me at least, it's only interesting as a theoretical exercise, not to pass judgement on what you think Ukraine and Russia would have done in a parallel universe. Though I'm very confident in saying that the wrong side won the Cold War if you care about things like the betterment and stability of humanity.

          • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
            ·
            3 years ago

            I give literally 0 shits about fascist NATO Ukraine losing Russian speaking territory to Russia.

        • anoncpc [comrade/them]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Odessa and Nykolaev is also in phase 2, tbf

          The objectives of the second stage of the operation are control over southern Ukraine and a corridor from the Donbass to the Crimea (Kherson region, completed) and to Transnistria, i.e. Nikolaev and Odessa regions. Deputy Commander of the Central Military District Rustam Minnekaev reported. According to him, the second phase of the operation began 2 days ago.