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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Yesterday's discussion post.


  • LargePenis [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't know if this is the right thread for this, but let's vent anyway.

    Today is a day of mourning and sadness among all Arabs I know. We're all in tears over the merciless assassination of Shireen Abu Aqlah by the Israeli apartheid forces. I can't even exaggerate how important she is to us and how iconic her role has been. Every single arab person grew up watching her bravely reporting on the crimes of the Israeli dogs from the frontlines. How many Shereens have been killed by the zionists and how many more need to be killed before it becomes a politically accepted position to be opposed to the Zionist entity here in the deranged West?

    • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Israel is putting out false footage of it, claiming there was an "exchange of fire." Her fellow reporters say it was a sniper strike that struck her and another reporter, and that her murder was nowhere near the "firefight" footage Isn'trael is promoting.

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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          If China has vaccinated everybody, that's evidence of how they're a 1984 Orwellian state where everybody is forced against the wall and given vaccinations or are instead immediately shot by firing squad and dumped in mass graves that the Reddit brigade spends hours trying to identify on Google Maps. And the government is also lying about their vaccination numbers.

          If China has not vaccinated everybody, that's evidence of how even the people realize that their government doesn't work and can't be trusted and they'll rise up in a revolution to overthrow the party and institute Freedom and Democracy and get rid of communism once they get strong enough. But also right now they can't do that as the state is too powerful and controls all information, so we need to pump a billion dollars into firing leaflets over the border like South Korea does.

          :parenti:

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Saw a post in /r/Ukraine that was assuring Crimeans that they would be "liberated" soon.

    Crimeans are 80% in favor of joining the RF and 80% of them think their lives are better than they were in 2014.

    Pure cope.

    • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      This is why this war will not end soon. The west keep pushing Ukraine to the abyss, which they now think they could win and counter attack, taking back crimea and Donbass. Those peoples sell on false hope and in turn continuing this war, in the end they might get nothing but a land lock Ukraine when Russia create novorussia

        • Fartbutt420 [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          They're running out of stingers and javelins already, there was a quote earlier from some yank ghoul about how it'll take a year or more to reup American stockpiles

    • kristina [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Ukraine was literally trying to kill everyone in Crimea by denying it fresh water

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Westoids don’t know a damn thing about Ukraine other than what was reported a few months ago. They really think Russian speaking Ukrainians will want to trust majority Ukrainians again after they attempted to ban Russian lol

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        If my government decided the best way to deal with a bunch of insurgents was to send Nazi paramilitaries in to my home town I don't think I'd want to be part of Ukraine either.

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    Here's a copypasta that break liberal's brains, use it wisely

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

    Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat - Guardian 2014

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/23745118.2016.1154646

    Far right participation in the Ukrainian Maidan protests: an attempt of systematic estimation

    https://journalhosting.ucalgary.ca/index.php/jmss/article/view/58321

    Crowdsourced War: The Political and Military Implications of Ukraine’s Volunteer Battalions 2014-2015

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/9thOHCHRreportUkraine.pdf#sthash.HFQs2pv2.dpuf

    A report by the OHCHR that was released on 2 March 2015 said that Ukrainian law enforcement agencies had engaged in a "pattern of enforced disappearances, secret detention and ill-treatment" of people suspected of "separatism" and "terrorism"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/

    Volunteer Ukrainian unit includes Nazis - USA Today 2015

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Religion/Submissions/UKRAINE_Annex1.pdf

    This 2017 Human rights study directly refutes the take stated in the video about "low anti-Semitism" in Ukraine

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/report-anti-semitic-vandalism-spiked-in-ukraine-in-2014-402631

    Report: Anti-Semitic vandalism spiked in Ukraine in 2014 - Jerusalem Post, this study also refutes that disgusting Atlantic Council article pro-Ukraine supporters use to claim that there have been "no examples of anti-semitic violence in Ukraine during the last twenty years"

    https://neweasterneurope.eu/2020/10/16/jews-and-conspiracy-theories-antisemitism-enters-academia-in-ukraine/

    Jews and conspiracy theories: Antisemitism enters academia in Ukraine - "nearly 70 percent of Ukrainians agreeing that “Jews have too much power in the business world.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/18/six-years-20-billion-russian-investment-later-crimeans-are-happy-with-russian-annexation/

    The 2019 survey found that 82% of Crimea's population supported Crimea's accession to Russia, as opposed to 86% in 2014. The survey also found that 58% of Crimean Tatars now supported Crimea's accession to Russia, as opposed to 39% in 2014 - Washington Post

    • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I was curating a similar collection but I gave up. Let me see if I have any left.

      https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/hundreds-march-with-torches-in-tribute-to-nazi-collaborator-in-ukraine-654187 Hundreds march with torches in tribute to Nazi collaborator in Ukraine, Published: JANUARY 4, 2021, Jerusalem Post

      https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf OSCE report on War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine by Foundation for Democracy, 15 April 2016

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY 1 Mar 2014 BBC Newsnight's Gabriel Gatehouse investigates the links between the new Ukrainian government and Neo-nazis

      https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-nexus-between-far-right-extremists-in-the-united-states-and-ukraine/ The Nexus Between Far-Right Extremists in the United States and Ukraine, West Point Military Academy, APRIL 2020,

      https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/820132?ln=en United Nations resolution "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance" only Ukraine Canada and the USA voted against it.

      https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/ Five years after the Maidan uprising, anti-Semitism and fascist-inflected ultranationalism are rampant, The Nation, FEBRUARY 22, 2019

    • DeathToBritain [she/her, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I went there in mid april when I went, and not being there for victory day is still something I regret. hope I can go back after all this bullshit and see Russia again, Russia is kind of a shithole in parts but a charming one that I liked.

      • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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        2 years ago

        Russia is kind of a shithole in parts but a charming one that I liked.

        Sounds like America. There were parts of this country I've been to and hated and parts that were okay. Like I dispised being in Florida and north Carolina and yet enjoyed South Carolina paradoxically, in the same way I've been to Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Mexico, and the California deserts and only liked visiting the towns of flagstaff, roswell, some Nevada mountain ranch, and Tuscan.

        At least a lot of Russias similar in climate to my slice of the world so I'd feel more at home weather-wise

              • jackal [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                Super cool! The fully automated return of the boosters is the neatest part to me, it's like SpaceX but decades earlier. And about the pilots, I wonder if that worked both ways, that the US government also needed/wanted some individual heros they can rally behind. It's harder to market a faceless rocket to the public.

              • ClathrateG [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                The core rocket looked something like an elongated space shuttle,

                interesting :melon-musk:

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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            2 years ago

            Hey if I ever visit Russia, I'll try to go there and snap pics just for space nerds like you

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The little camera drone darting in and out of massive armored vehicles stands out as a reminder that we're living in the future.

    • Ideology [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      This angle changes so much compared to the flattering boom crane videos that people love to add electro music too.

  • GundamZZ [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Breadtubers still making videos about how people like Hasan won't tow the NATO line on Ukraine. Defending "moderate nationalists" in Ukraine, etc. etc. Breadtube video essays really did just become political slop for westoid treat hogs to pretend they're in the know and good people.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      moderate nationalists

      :isaac-pog: WE'VE RETURNED TO THE "MODERATE REBELS" TALKING POINT!

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I forgot about that. What ever happened to those good old moderate rebels? Oh, they were isis? Whoops.

    • ItsPequod [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      C'mon guys this isn't vaguebook, I don't know who you're talking about I want to see the bad takes

    • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Still impressed Hasan has kept his stance, despite Vaush and Destiny fans obsessively hating him over it.

    • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Even when I was still a Contrapoints-watching liberal the whole "breadtube" community was just off to me.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      moderate nationalist, much like moderate republicans, and moderate return on investment.

    • zeal0telite [he/him,they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Western leftists talk a big game but can't even form the most basic analysis on things like Ukraine.

      Any revolution these guys did (lol) would be a changing of the guard for the US empire except its citizens might get free healthcare.

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    Ukraine continues to take villages at Kharkiv, but they're reporting that many (all?) Russian troops have already retreated to the other side of the border - so Ukraine is punching at air. If Ukraine can undercut the troops and supplies heading into the Izyum offensive then it serves a strategic purpose - otherwise, not so much, they're just recapturing their own villages. Remains to be seen.

    At Popasna, which is a topographic high point (and thus an excellent place to put artillery), they're currently shelling the Ukrainian strongpoints to their west and south rather than immediately marching onwards. Probably wise, don't wanna punch out too hard and form a hard-to-defend salient.

    At Izyum, there's some issues due the forest line at Lyman (the area is a national park), but battles throughout the front.

    I was watching Dreizin yesterday, who is among the more blatant chuds reporting on the war but does appear to have some useful military knowledge. He was talking about how Ukraine's buildings are built to be very sturdy, and the building and the people inside will survive most non-direct impacts from regular shelling. This therefore greatly slows down the offensive, as you need to go through each individual building to ensure that there aren't enemies in there who could shoot you and your tanks in the back while you're moving on, and it would be unnecessarily destructive to level every house in Ukraine. Every village in Ukraine is a potential fortification while it's occupied by enemy forces, and you can't just drive between the villages or you're then surrounded, not even to mention how you're gonna get vulnerable supplies through.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      It's mind-boggling to me just how easily people (well, I guess radlibs in this particular instance) can switch from seeming like they dislike America because of the harm it's done to the world at large, but the second that a crisis springs up, they immediately get back in line with everybody else. I guess it's just a relatively simple case of their material interests in preserving imperialism taking over from a more idealistic (in both senses) worldview and so shouldn't be that shocking hypothetically, but actually watching it happen is something else.

      I know we aren't the only place on the entire internet (and that's to say nothing of the world, where in many non-western countries there appears to be a general distrust of NATO and the US and/or sympathy, though not outright welcoming, towards Russia's actions) that has this philosophy but there's certainly not many places on any mainstream media site, social or otherwise, that are even offering a neutral perspective. You've gotta line up to kiss Zelensky's ring, or you're a traitor to the west and opposed to the very concept of freedom and democracy.

    • keepcarrot [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, this is my online safe space. More so since gzd got spayed and the Ukraine thing

    • COMMENT [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Everyone's continued contributions keep the site active and alive. Glad you're enjoying your time here :stalin-heart:

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    Intelslava:

    • Achieving peace in Ukraine is impossible without the elimination of the current Kyiv regime, controlled from the outside - LNR Ambassador to Russia.

    • Authorities of Kherson region will turn to the President of Russia with a request to include the region into Russia - deputy head of the military-civilian administration of the region. The deadlines have been announced: by the end of the year, the Kherson region will pass under the legislation of Russian federation

    I guess this will lengthen the war, maybe it will take a year or more as western analysts claim if Russia is just gonna start carving bits off now. And there's no way that Ukraine will agree to also losing Kherson - they were already adamantly against losing Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk, and they were virtually never gonna go back to being Ukrainian. Looks like diplomacy is over and it's military all the way unless Zelensky is Minecrafted and somebody with more sense takes his place and surrenders to Russia.

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      I guess this will lengthen the war, maybe it will take a year or more as western analysts claim if Russia is just gonna start carving bits off now. And there’s no way that Ukraine will agree to also losing Kherson - they were already adamantly against losing Crimea, Donetsk, and Lugansk, and they were virtually never gonna go back to being Ukrainian.

      I wouldn't jump to that conclusion Ukraine still not negotiating in good faith, the last hopeful attempt in Turkey was beginning to show some progress and then the UK/US NATO intervened and told Zelensky to walk back on his compromises.

      I think the length of the war is up to the US to decide. Certainly the current massive expenditure can't continue for long, all of this is being done at the expense of EU, how long until Europeans start getting angry?

      We saw the whole "war in Europe" rhetoric white people suffering oh no. But European history is also full of conflict between Germany/France/UK/Austria/Spain/Portugal/Netherlands all historically fought each other at some point, you know competing colonial/imperialist interests.

      Then I don't see how Biden can justify another Iraq/Afghanistan level of spending in the middle of a recession. I believe if the US gave their blessing we could have peace within a week of negotiations.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        all of this is being done at the expense of EU, how long until Europeans start getting angry?

        It can last a very, very long time. Since WWII one of the most powerful liberal brainworms in Europe has been "America good". Directly challenging American interests would run counter to everything they believe in.

        Of course there will be a point at which pure ideology can no longer distract from material reality but that point is far, far away. It's a hell of a lot farther away than freeze peach, almost as far out as private property.

      • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Then I don’t see how Biden can justify another Iraq/Afghanistan level of spending in the middle of a recession.

        They'll use some faux Keynseian logic. More weapons building to boost the economy.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      AFAIK Kherson is not predominantly Russian and a Russian administration there would be more likely to meet resistance than in the Donbass. Could this talk about Kherson joining the Russian Federation be meant more to apply pressure on the Kiev government, scaring them to negotiate before they lose the southern half of the country, rather than a Russian desire to take over Kherson?

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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        AFAIK Kherson is not predominantly Russian and a Russian administration there would be more likely to meet resistance than in the Donbass.

        Russia seems to know this; again from Intelslava: "Kherson region decided not to hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, the region will try to become part of Russia without this procedure - the authorities of the region"

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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        Makes sense, Russia is already occupying most of it. I wonder once Phase 2 is done and the entire Donbass is under DPR/LPR control, then whether a hypothetical Phase 3 will begin which will finish off Zaporozhie and perhaps Mykolaiv and Odessa?

          • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            Are you surprised? Putin already warn Kiev government about losing more territory from the first negotiations? It’s the US and UK keep pumping in money, make surprise visit tell Elensky to continue this charade to last Ukrainian.

          • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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            Considering the current pace of the offensive though, it may take maybe even more than a year, so there’s still dark says ahead for both the Ukrainian and the Russian-speaking people of that country.

            Yeah, I was originally thinking about 6 months or so (so, 3-4 more months) to get the entire Donbass, though I've seen some ideas floated around that once Russia gets a few breakthroughs in the front, and Ukraine is sufficiently weakened, then they can start rolling up Ukraine's forces all the way to the Dniper river. So that would presumably shorten the operation and that we're just in the slow phase before the pressure is too much and it all crumples at "once" (still weeks to months).

            But if Russia decides to take more, I could see this taking a year or longer. Especially depending on how much weaponry Ukraine is stockpiling in their cities and fortifications away from the front (more safe), versus taking it to the front (less safe). Of course, all the weaponry in the world won't help you without enough men to use it.

            And of course you have to wonder if all this ugly shit could have been avoided if the negotiations weren’t used as an excuse for grandstanding from Ukraine, or if this would have been the result anyway. Hell, or simply if Ukraine had actually done something about the Neo-Nazi influence in the country and continued the pre-2004 neutral foreign policy.

            Yeah. Though speculating on alternative realities is basically non-falsifiable whatever you predict so, for me at least, it's only interesting as a theoretical exercise, not to pass judgement on what you think Ukraine and Russia would have done in a parallel universe. Though I'm very confident in saying that the wrong side won the Cold War if you care about things like the betterment and stability of humanity.

          • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            I give literally 0 shits about fascist NATO Ukraine losing Russian speaking territory to Russia.

        • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Odessa and Nykolaev is also in phase 2, tbf

          The objectives of the second stage of the operation are control over southern Ukraine and a corridor from the Donbass to the Crimea (Kherson region, completed) and to Transnistria, i.e. Nikolaev and Odessa regions. Deputy Commander of the Central Military District Rustam Minnekaev reported. According to him, the second phase of the operation began 2 days ago.

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Ukraine better surrender soon if they don’t want to lose Odessa region and Zaporizhzhia region…

      The longer Zelenskyy plays this game, the more Ukraine is going to disintegrate

  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Mango Press is saying that the Qatar-Germany gas talks have broken down. So I guess Germany is gonna have to go Scramble for African gas, if there's any left after the other European countries have already got theirs from e.g. Algeria.

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Something interesting to note when looking at the history of countries by GDP PPP. The Bush years were when the US was truly a hyper power. Its economy was on a whole different field than anybody else.

    You at least had a few countries with in the same trillion dollar range in the 90's, but by 2000 the US had reached ten trillion and every other country hadn't come close. It once again became a superpower when China's economy entered the same range, and in 2016 China surpassed it. That's also around the same time the propaganda and attempts at color revolution really kicked off.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      In fairness, this also happened to be when China began to seriously integrate its provinces into the national economy rather than let Hong Kong and Macau operate as western vassal states.

  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    For people looking for replacements Naked Capitalism posts a daily news summary as well, here is Links 5/11/2022

    A few highlights

    Gazprom Doesn’t Understand. Andrei Martyanova. So Ukraine is sanctioning the EU but trying to make it look like Russia. Based on later posts on Russian sites, it appears Ukraine later submitted the force majeure notice, but I’m having trouble finding English language commentary/confirmation. This is as close as I have gotten as of this hour: Ukraine partially halts gas transit to Europe Global Happenings

    Millions of UK homes face no heat this winter, power chief warns RT (Kevin W) :ukkk: :yes-hahaha-yes-l:

    Kevin W re this tweet: “Check the flag on the left and whose portrait is over it.” Link they are not even hiding it lol

    The Greatest Generation Raúl Ilargi Meijer. By Scott Ritter, hoisted from RT. Even linking to Scott Ritter now leads to newbie trolls trying to engage in thought policing.

    Prices Are Going Up So Fast at This Restaurant They’re Using Stickers on the Menu MSN (resilc) :sicko-hexbear: :chefs-kiss:

    BTW for people that still want to keep in touch with the news . And Alexander Mercouris gives his own analysis on YT(watch at 2x on the background its best) and DPA give you 80-90% of what is happening with the war.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Re: The Holocaust and Germany

      I have a suspicion that the outbreak of violence in Germany in the 70s was due to German youth learning about their country's actions in WWII and being appalled that there was no punishment and no reckoning for their parents.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

      Wikipedia agrees with me.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          As an American growing up I was taught that the Nazis were the ultimate evil, and defeating them was the virtuous high-point of American society. Learning that after WWII the US immediately began collaborating with the Nazis, incorporated them in to NATO, and funded and trained them to fight in the USSR has done more to radicalize me than any other single thing.

      • spring_rabbit [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I took a class on German history and culture back in college, and this was something the professor really hammered on. A large part of the class focused on art movements from the 60s-80s where particularly West Germans were growing up and learning that their parents and their parents' friends were all nazis, and they all got away with it.

        Instead of using that anger and guilt to organize and maybe doing something about that, we got art.

        • Malspoken [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Art is part of organizing. You wouldn't want Andy Worhol organizing when he would be a far better propagandists for the movement. And an actual left wing movement needs all types of people. It needs accountants and janitors and cooks not just soldiers and general.

          "Pitch in however you can" is the slogan of an organizer. I don't organize but I don't a few thousand a year to lefty groups. They need money, they need resources, and they need physical help in equal measures.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    There have been speculations that Russia is going for the full Novorossiya scenario where they incorporate the entirety of southern Ukraine into Russia. I don't know if they can do it militarily, if they keep moving at the current pace, it's going to be another hundred years's war.

    If this happens, will Russia be able to hold all of Novorossiya? Unlike Crimea and the Donbass, these areas have a Ukrainian-speaking majority that would probably be against joining Russia and the western imperialist nations are going to funnel weapons into the conflict like crazy. Does this have the potential to be the forever war that drains Russia's resources that the US has hoped for all along, or will Russia be able to make peace in the new regions, despite western and Ukrainian opposition?

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Looking at territory only is terminal mapbrain

      The Ukrainian army is losing like 1k people per day and is out of professional soldiers, most of its formations have no mobility and are pinned down and will be encircled and besieged.

      We are still in the phase of Russia massacring the Ukrainian army with artillery. Ukraine can’t keep standing in place forever, this is going to crack

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      these areas have a Ukrainian-speaking majority that would probably be against joining Russia and the western imperialist nations are going to funnel weapons into the conflict like crazy.

      This is a big speculation imo. Ukraine is definitely going to be completely destroyed socialy and economically by this war and if most rational predictions are correct that Russia will at least retain their status as an economic power then it doesn't make much material sense to willingly choose to live and remain part of your bankrupt nation. Obviously during war time patriotism is extremely prevalent but who knows years from now?

      Put this in another way, if Ukraine can't actualy provide any meaningful humanitarian let alone social and economic assistance to these areas then the only reason against joining Russia would be pure ideology and patriotism. Is that realy enough to convince hundreds of thousands of desperate poor people to remain part of Ukraine?

      Russia is going to offer a large degree of social economic integration, just using the ruble and having some reasonable assurance that Russia is self sufficient in food and energy.

      I also look at the millions of Ukrainian refugees currently living abroad and I imagine a significant amount would not return if they had a choice either.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        While it is true that materially the choice between Russia and Ukraine is a no-brainer I think one shouldn't underestimate the ability of Ukrainian nationalism to give Russian authorities a hard time in Novorossiya, especially when said nationalists are armed and funded by hostile powers. If Russia incorporates Novorossiya they will be committing themselves to a long-lasting anti-terror and anti-sabotage efforts that will require significant resources.

        The border with the remaining part of Ukraine and NATO is going to require significant resources either way though. Washington will not let Ukraine make peace for a long time to come so Russia will have to deal with sharing a border with a hostile power.

        • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          If Russia incorporates Novorossiya they will be committing themselves to a long-lasting anti-terror and anti-sabotage efforts that will require significant resources.

          I agree about the nationalist fervor of the nazis, but if the question is does this favor applies to the average population even years from now then that is questionable.

          Also I think now this argument is also unfortunately very similar to all the westoid arguments that Russia was making a mistake and Ukraine would inevitably become their own Afgnanistan war.

          Realy when it comes to nazi terrorism I'd say even the west isn't particularly safe. The Azov in Mariupol are already all mad about being "deceived" by Kiev. I'd worry about the nazis eventually turning against the west in sort of a mafia protection scheme pay us or we will start seeing another MH 17 crash every week type deal.

    • anoncpc [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Come on dude, hundred years is too exaggerate. The west can't pump money and weapon forever, this is not 2 decade ago when the US is undisputed power and economy.

    • comi [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      But then retreat from Chernigov/sumy is even more of a gamer move :shrug-outta-hecks: They are closest to moscow region, with direct tank drive they can be there in one day sans resistance.

      I think everyone out of east could live with moscow rule, but more feasible would be separate puppet state. Ukrainians hate their government like everybody else, so if they sold them ukraine without the western part, and do whatever you like (also your porkies wold change), except fash symbolism and russian language bans - it could work. God knows, it’s the productive part of the country

  • notthenameiwant [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I have came to my senses and am getting out of cryptocurrency as soon as possible. It's not due to losing money on crypto, which I have I'm overleveraged, it's due to hearing about tether's shady practices 5 years late. I'm a fucking idiot. Laugh at me all you want, but I'm doing this on main. I'm not fucked (I think), but I am getting out as soon as possible. I have seen the black hole, and I need to get out as soon as possible. I need to get out of this as soon as I can get close to financially breaking even.

    Tether is what nearly every crypto goes through, and if they go tits up, the whole market collapses. Again, I'm seeing this evidence 5 years after it happened. I would have pulled my money out years ago if I saw this shit. Laugh if you want, but I didn't know all of this until 20 minutes ago and I'm not having a good time right now. Most people don't know what they invest in. It's literally a meme. Have some sympathy.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tether_(cryptocurrency)

        I read the wikipedia article. So people were saying "You give me a dollar, and I'll give you a long string of numbers. And at any time you can give me back this long string of numbers, and I'll give you a dollar."

        Then they played all sorts of tricks and it turns out they lost/spent/stole your dollar?

    • Chump [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Eh, don’t beat yourself up over it. The market can stay irrational way longer than you can stay solvent. And Tether is pretty much 100% scam status. Get out if you’re overleveraged and breathe easier

    • GundamZZ [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      TrueAnon did an episode on them like a year ago. This is what happens when you aren't getting financial advice from Liz.