there I learned through infographics, shitposts, and memes
These are the same people telling you to read economics 101
A lot of these murderers openly admit how gullible and susceptible they are. It's the same story with Qanon reactionaries too. They always tell a story that's like "yeah i never really paid attention to politics or the news but then one day I saw a meme that broke my brain."
Yes, that's all it takes to radicalize them because they live their entire lives coasting on the basic assumptions of white supremacist imperialism without question and it destroys their mind to learn their ideology is in fact a particular ideology that can be put into words. It's completely gibberish racist drivel, but it snaps their worldview into focus like they've never understood because they've literally never thought about it before. The racist gullible nonsense was already bubbling in their heads.
There's even a part in the Turner Diaries where the main character doesn't fully understand his own motivations until he's told about Hitler. He then instantaneously morphs into a full white supremacist on a spiritual level.
You're right, they started getting indoctrinated as kids, but got fooled into believing they discovered reactionary ideology on their own
I'm not going to link it because I don't want to spread it, but it's in Chapter 10, after the main character is fully adopted into the "organization." He's given a book to read only called "the book" that describes why he needs to be a white supremacist. With the context clues of a "great one" who was born in 1889, it's clear "the book" is Mein Kampf or some kind of collection of Nazi theory
Commenting because I like this theory and want to keep it close to the top of the comment threads. This is what liberalism does to a motherfucker.
HEY. Some of us learned about communism through memes and had a similar experience tyvm. You put some respect on memes!
But the difference in ideological miasma people are steeped in leading to fascist bullshit and communism is clearly huge and I find your insight valuable for sure. I find that leftists are generally the most empathetic people who drive themselves crazy trying to make sense of how needlessly cruel our world is without a proper critique of it, so it's a process of trying to ask a question they don't have the words for that leads to their revelationary moment when they finally encounter leftist theory (even if that's in the form of memes). That's a remarkably different process than the fascist light bulb turning on as someone has their entirely unconscious and unquestioned ideology put into language for the first time, even if the subjective feeling of revelation is probably similar.
:rat-salute: AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
You got that meme? I bet it's a good one.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/468/409/2a8.jpg
It works on so many levels, because bulbasaur is the best starter.
:arm-L::data-laughing::palestine-strong:
Edit: I was wondering why we didn't have an Israeli flag burning emoji, but then the small part of my brain that remembers I'm technically Jewish reminded me that the optics on that are.... Problematic.
they banned a dude who flipped out about wanting to burn the star of david here and then he made accounts for a month posting antisemitic shit lol
Edit: I was wondering why we didn’t have an Israeli flag burning emoji, but then the small part of my brain that remembers I’m technically Jewish reminded me that the optics on that are… Problematic.
:israel-cool:
There are 100% people who call themselves communists because tankie is their favorite jreg character
I'm curious why someone who "didn't grow up racist" was so defensive of the so-called white race to begin with? If a greater percentage of people are non-white or mixed in the future, it's no skin off your back unless you're already a bit of a white supremacist.
Racism is when you openly use slurs, otherwise you're not racist
You can only be racist if you come from the Race region of America, otherwise you're just a sparkling bigot
Americans by and large think it's unfair to call someone a racist unless they're already wearing a white hood and shouting slurs
how dare you. they were having a bad day. they only wore a white hood and shouted slurs for 1 out of 365 days of the year.
So true. It’s like Americans can’t see or think any more nuanced than face value
Thank you, I was gonna say this same shit. It doesn't actually make sense, like how tf can a person claim they were never racist but also be so proud and defensive about whiteness? So much so they were moved by obvious propaganda made by white supremists to make them feel like they and other whites are losing some imaginary war of races. He absolutely had to have some prejudices in order to believe less white people and more mixed people is bad specifically for him and other mayos. If you're not racist this shit shouldn't matter at all, it has no effect on their own personal life unless they genuinely dislike anyone not white.
Part of me thinks it's a ploy to garner sympathy. Like you know some libs gonna read that and be like, "if all these other races didn't exist he wouldn't have felt compelled to shoot people!!!" Therefor race mixing is bad or whatever absurd reasoning.
These people don't really have the self awareness to game the system. If they did they'd grift like Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnes. People who go down this rabbit hole actually believe the things they're saying. So when they say they don't think they're racist, they don't actually think they were racist. They were just liberal or centrist and didn't think about race all that much. That being said, liberal politics is built on racism. So when you start to peel off the surface layers the ugly parts start to show. He's not trying to garner sympathy so much as get others on board with his ideology. It's in the same vein as the "you're all deluded sheeple" spouted off by reactionary atheist bros in the early 2010s. He thinks he took the red pill and other people should too in order to protect their self interest against the "hordes".
part of me wishes white genocide was real, the other part thinks forcing someone to live is bad.
Exactly, many times I'm one of the few, or only, white person in an area or room and it doesn't matter, at all. What weirdo thinks that matters? I mean we know what weirdos think that unfortunately, but still
How did this dude take himself seriously when he wrote he was educated by "infographics, shitposts, and memes" on 4chan?
everyone and their dog knows that US media is dogshit propaganda, so they come to the (erroneous) conclusion that shitposts on white supremacists forums are "the real truth"
As opposed to us big brain top-tier AAA+ posters who shitpost on the pig poop balls website
the shitposts are funny but there are real gems on this site from people who have undertaken serious scholastic or organizing endeavors and share what they've learned (while preserving the greatest degree of anonymity that they can). it's a depressingly low portion of the content and this community definitely gets caught up in the memes at the expense of critical thought - but that those posts exist and the sheer love of the mass of humanity that virtually everyone necessarily brings to this site is what makes our radicalism categorically different from the right.
or said another way - the capitalists need only peaceably hand over the means of production and we will not kill them. we will care for them as much as we would any other person. that is, we welcome bourgeois class traitors. similarly with fascists: if they cease to be fascists we have no quarrel with them and we will again welcome them as potential comrades, after suitable reparations. however, we also understand that these demands will not be met and that these groups sit opposite us, waging class warfare against the greater whole of humanity. to bow to their humanity and to refuse to fight them is a capitulation that will cost all of us our lives because our class enemies do not in turn recognize our humanity.
there is literally nothing I can do to appease a fascist - they demand my life on the basis of immutable factors of my birth that I cannot change. whereas they only need to desist from their projects to build fascism and I am completely satisfied.
I keep hammering on the idea that we don't need to kill people, we need to take power away from people. Jeff Bezos is just some guy with no imagination and too much gear in his system. If he died tomorrow he'd be immediately replaced by someone else who would do exactly the same things Bezos did. Bezos isn't dangerous, the systems that allow him to accumulate massive wealth and power are dangerous. If we can dismantle the systems Bezos and all the rest of them are just guys.
Not really sure how you dismantle those systems without killing anyone though
I'm pretty sure you can't. But it's important not to fixate on the individuals.
Earlier today I had a discussion on here where I linked to an anthropological research paper from 1985. On 4klan they just hurl racial slurs at each other and post "infographics" where they drew stars of david in MS paint over the entire CNN board of directors.
plus we are guided by the immortal science of marxism leninism :lenin-sleeping:
I mean a lot of us listen to :citations-needed: so I think that brings up at least a few points from these knuckleheads ___
I mean we have pinned posts reading leftist theory in the book club every now and then. I don't participate at the moment, but it's there if you want it.
They see things that confirm in their minds the biases they already have, without realizing they were biased. They already have a bunch of ideological beliefs but they have no awareness of ideology, so they think there beliefs are real and natural. Someone comes along selling propaganda, and if the propaganda says when they already believed they think "Hey this guy must be telling the truth" and from there they'll start to believe other things that the propagandist says and eventually you end up watching OAN and nodding along.
his entire letter looks like the copypasta "help us xi, please liberate america with Chengdu J-20 bombers", but serious. maybe some of you won't know what I'm talking about, lol. it's a satirical line used to make fun of a probably fed twitter (?) post where an alleged citizen in a country the US state department doesn't like asked for her country to be liberated and specified the American aircraft he/she desired to liberate their country.
help us xi, please liberate america with Chengdu J-20 bombers
This but unironically
help us xi, please liberate america with Chengdu J-20 bombers
need the full copypasta plz
I started browsing 4chan in May 2020 after extreme boredom.
Oh my, the slippery slope from bored white teenagers to murderous white teenagers must be quite slippery. No wonder the supply chain of treats is critical national security infrastructure.
"I'm bored" has often been the start of some really fucked up fascist chats in numerous online games I've played. Those two words, followed by slurs and hate manifestos. :desolate:
Kinda funny how we're the ones with the ideology that actually challenges the state and we just....don't commit crimes.
We never see any of us going into, say, Harrison Arkansas and attacking people. Yet we're the ones routinely demonized on the more popular, democratized media. We're always the bad guys and these shooters are always painted as the good guys, if not the REAL victims.
And the furthest you could stretch leftist violence would be groups like Red Army Faction, who very specifically targeted capitalists, cops, NATO commanders, et al (and the people who protected them).
A lot of Red Army Faction's targets were actual, literal Nazis who escaped any consequences after the war and got rich.
I mean, to be fair. We think most people should have a net improvement in their lives and therefore doing shit like this would go against that goal.
I steal steaks sometimes, which is basically going to a minority neighbourhood and shooting up the place.
I mean yeah, wasn't it you or another old account that told me that's why this site apparently had so many wreckers when it launched?
4chan might be getting nuked over this one. Mentioned by name in the press conference and it's the central point being mentioned in every single media source, they want it gone. That or they want to drive more people to it.
4chan might be getting nuked over this one. Mentioned by name in the press conference and it’s the central point being mentioned in every single media source, they want it gone.
good riddance
That would be huge. Where would all the 4chan refugees go if it was shutdown? lol
Hexbear's estranged cousin that exists on the dark web - OctOtter
I’ll let you know after I get back back from… wait for it… the hunt for red OctOtter
Is 8chan even around anymore? Last I heard about it on QAA it was rebranded 8kun and seemed to have trouble being hosted
Google doesn't list it. Honestly I'm at a point with Google now where I think it's near useless because of all the stuff they manually delist or suppress. Not that I care about a fash site but they're doing it for everything now.
Current site is 8kun . top, which I won't provide a link for so as not to send any backlink power their way. They only have traffic because they're considered the "home" of Q, there is basically no interest in them other than for that. They also massage their "currently online" figures by providing the total uniques within the last 72 hours. Hexbear is basically 50x their size and activity despite being relatively unknown in the wider online space so we've got that going for us.
Hexbear is basically 50x their size
:michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh:
There are always more chan boards, which will self select for racist transphobes.
what like a zoo for all the fascists to play in and we get to make fun and call them rude names?
I figured 4chan was already under fed control, what other well know CP site is just allowed to continue to operate?
Imagine the culture shock of Chan users having to live with a “trip code”… all the time!
wild to read about this whole thing. he wrote a whole screed about how white people need to have around 2 kids each and then he goes and kills a white mother of two
fascism really is the stupidest ideology
he goes and kills a white mother of two
That wasn't stupidity. That was pure fucking evil. That was as if the motherfucker was racking up points against a specific target and did an "oopsie! Team Kill. Oh well. :shrug-outta-hecks: " in CoD. Fucking evil bastard.
I'm sorry but I can't think of these racist fuckers as stupid. They know exactly what they're doing. I mean, the shooter even said if he survives, he'll plead guilty. That doesn't sound like someone stupid to me. That's someone who just didn't give a fuck.
Dude should have unironically become a trad wife instead of a statistic lol
New bit where we convince Nazis to transition to save the white race.
i refuse the logic of respectability politics, but i don't think more trans nazis would be good for trans people
I went to 4chan during the Michael Brown protests and let me tell you. I saw the fucking heart of darkness. I saw the absolute irredeemable soul of misanthropy on full display. I was doing it to keep tabs of their bullshit but it got so depressing I just couldn't do it anymore.
4chan and its unchecked, unchallenged psychopathy is the exact reason why I have gone from being a succdem who cherishes human rights to a full-blown tankie.
Lol what
We cherish human rights. That's literally the whole point of being a commie.
Oh the I don't agree with what you're saying but I'm going to pass this bill that gives you the financial motivation to do it kind of human rights guy
You should be more explicit otherwise you just appear like a cranky weirdo (at least to any libs watching, which we all are).
I found that racial humor is basically how racists keep their ideas alive. It was never ironic because they believed it, they were just selling it as a joke.
It also let them back out and say "I was just kidding." when called out on it.
Oh no I agree, ironic racism is a slippery slope because it gives cover for real racists. You basically let nazis enter your groups by allowing it.
There's an anecdote where a guy is sitting in a bar, and the bartender is being a normal dive bar asshole bartender, and everything is groovy. Then a big, biker looking guy with a vest and a bunch of tattoos comes in, sits that the bar. The Bartender says "Get out." and points at the door. The guys says "Hey I just want a drink, man". The bartender pulls a bat out from behind the bar and says "Get the fuck out, now". The biker shrugs and leaves. The guy sitting at the bar is shocked. The bartender looks at him and says "That guy had a bunch of white power tattoos and patches. They're not obvious but I've seen them before. If I let that guy drink here he'll come back with a couple of his buddies. And they'll come back with a couple of their buddies. And then this will be a nazi bar. You've got to shut them down right away." Then the bartender goes back to washing glasses and ignoring the guy.
i stopped spying on the enemy for my own mental health after a while. they are truly the worst.
Really impressive how fascism can easily highjack a weak-willed and stupid person's head. Really shows how important tight control of the media is to stop the spread of this sort of information. Also I'm sure there are plenty of underlying material conditions that predispose people to this
Really shows how important tight control of the media is to stop the spread of this sort of information.
the fascist reads this and immediately assumes you are the mastermind of the conspiracy
If western schools were anything other than a factory to turn the sons of farmers into office drones- if children were helped to think for themselves instead of just being told to then punished for it- perhaps we wouldn’t have so many “weak willed” people.
Maybe we can combat the hedonistic, nihilistic, and individualist insanity that has taken control of western thought
I know it’s the ramblings of a dumbass white supremacist but I thought these guys loved individualism
they aren't consistent
some of them want some kind of weird pagan collectivism for white's only and view christianity as a "culturally jewish" religion that was forced onto indigenous europeans by Romans
some of them are christians still
some of them are total malthusians and want the population to drop
others want the white birth rate to go up up up
some of them want to sterilize white women for getting with nonwhite men
others of them want white women to be baby factories.
whatever makes sense in the moment i guess
The only thing that truly unifies them is their hatred of minorities. If they ever came into power they would proabably turn onto each other.
absolutely. they would just resurrect old inter-european forms of racism. Ben Franklin resented Germans and regarded them as "swarthy" that is the level of pettiness you get from white supremacists even when they get what they want.
Combating individualism by conducting lone wolf attacks on random individuals with no connection to power
Nah, individualism is the opium of the billionaires, people (all people) want community. Why do they like army (band of bros (tm)) so much?
When your're brain is big mush words can mean whatever youe want
The whole thing about Fascism is that it "makes up" for the alienation by capitalism with its own dark, twisted mirror of "Community", as an alternative to Socialism.
No syncretistic faith can withstand analytical criticism. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism.
It sounds like he’s fantasizing some neo-pagan Viking warrior lodge mead hall, which is sort of a running theme of Nazism
What privilege does to a motherfucker
The west need to go through a millennium of humiliation
Many times they already harbored these thoughts or were raised in an environment that encouraged it. He's from the Southern Tier and that region of New York is a white supremacist hotbed. It's no wonder he picked Buffalo. A much more progressive city with a large black population.
There's a good quote by David Harvey where he talks about how teaching Marxist concepts to trust fund grad students is really arduous, but teaching prison inmates is much easier because they're already familiar with the ideas. Mao said the same thing about university grads and peasants.
So I guess it must work the same with reactionaries. They already had the thoughts in their head before learning how express them.
There’s a good quote by David Harvey where he talks about how teaching Marxist concepts to trust fund grad students is really arduous, but teaching prison inmates is much easier because they’re already familiar with the ideas.
I think you're talking about Chris Hedges, not David harvey. But perhaps they've made the same point.
i skimmed the manifesto, it was like inhaling the smoke from burning tires
It’s extremely disturbing. You can see the many layers of misguided propaganda that went into decoupling this kids soul from his brain
lmao, he called transgenderism a mental illness. great refutation of transgender people by the teenager mass shooter :very-smart:
transgenderism
they always refer to being trans like it's this sinister ideology and not simply a form of existence. This must be projection since they've turned being pale into a full fledged ideology.
