remind me how these two sites are supposed to be different from each other?

there's something extra... eldritch horror... about referring to nazis as N-word Socialists...

  • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    The feds and the cops knew about this little fascist piece of shit and chose to do nothing to stop him but that doesn't make it a false flag

    American Gladio on the other hand? Oh yeah, feds and fascists working together to terrorize the whole population could be what's happening

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      But wasn't one of the crucial elements of Gladio blaming the terrorism on communists?

      • L183R4L [any]
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        3 years ago

        I think strategy of Tension makes a better analogy. Any violence is good because it makes the populace more willing to accept further erosion if rights in the name of "safety" a la the Patriot Act or police funding

    • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      they think amerikkka is communist because burger king does pride wrappers on their heart attack sandwiches or something

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      3 years ago

      i don't think this is a false flag, but the relationship between vigilante fascists and state fascists is much more fraught than that. When there's no far left to unite against, as is currently the case, the far right can expect much of the same treatment by the feds (albeit to a lesser degree). in particular, angry fash are prime targets for the same kinds of entrapment operations that have been practiced upon young Muslim men by the FBI for decades. for example the plot to kidnap Gov. Whitmer, and some of the rightists who got charges in the Minneapolis Floyd riots were both encouraged and enabled by federal agents.

      from a more myopic leftist perspective these people are on the same "side" as libs, but they want to murder Pelosi.

    • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      edit-2
      3 years ago

      why write something new when your entire ideology is, by your own admission, cobbled together from memes and shitposts

      EDIT: in any case, this is overstated. i had a look at both manifestos (taking psychic damage rocks). Christchurch is 74 pages. Buffalo guy is 180 pages. He did add at least a few things. Namely a long winded guide on reproducing what he did, what equipment to buy, etc. Also, he laid to rest the idea that he's a fed by saying why he chose to target random black people. He says they have to die before the politicians, since they are, in his eyes, basically the footsoldiers of the enemy. So there you have it. This little nazi was 18. The idea that he's a fed because his ideas has holes in it is, to me, completely bogus

          • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            this motherfucker really was out there creating a guide for mass shooters like they're writing about playing a DPS in WoW.

            G*mers are scum and deserve the wall, not the gulag.

        • OfficialBenGarrison [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I am terminally online, but /pol/ CHUDs take it to a new level.

          They unironically see IRL as a video game. They're fine with committing these heinous acts because they simply see themselves as doing an "evil" playthrough, evil playthroughs simply being the easier, more fun playthrough. This explains the main character syndrome. This explains why they all talk like anime villains. This explains the might makes right mentality: I'm a badass so I get to call the shots!.

      • ClathrateG [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        60 of those pages are just shopping lists and copy and pasted weapon/armour specs

    • keepcarrot [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Not supporting the 4chan conspiracy thing here, but even the FBI could do that.

      • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
        hexagon
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        3 years ago

        I think the FBI finds guys like this and ignores them, or sometimes even eggs them on. But to actually carry it out? That would implicate them far too much.

  • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    So basically, their evidence is that the guy who admits his ideology came from memes... did a few things that were dumb and inconsistent?

    I'd be suspicious he's a fed if his plan was absolutely perfect.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    edit-2
    3 years ago

    It's exactly the same motives and reasoning, how do you make the right wing look worse by literally just repeating the same actions?

    If you wanted to false flag to provoke reaction and crackdowns, you'd target politicians and important/recognized political icons, even if you just kill random staff and assistants and not the actual "target".

  • BoxedFenders [any, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    It's not just channers. I was seeing comments about the shooter being a fed plant since the very first local news clips posted on Youtube. They were often the top rated comments too, with upvotes in the thousands. These people believe in Replacement Theory and agree that something must be done about it; but whenever one of their own actually does, they voice skepticism and cry false flag.

    • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
      hexagon
      ·
      3 years ago

      it's how they get away with genocide. by clasping their hands to their their face and sarcastically saying "oh no, how terrible" whenever the consequences of their ideology are carried out

  • Mike_Penis [any]
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    3 years ago

    anyone who says "democrat party" should be instantly sterilized