Links and Stuff
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to the above list if you can, thank you.
Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins
Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)
Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.
Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.
Yesterday's discussion post.
God I fucking hate NYT and NPR so much. They are honestly just too good at what they do, it's expert level propaganda, crafted perfectly for liberals to guzzle straight down. "What are your sources?" "Everyone is saying it!".
Straight up bloodthirsty murderous lies packaged in a way that makes people smugly feel like "Good People" for adopting whatever racist position is fed to them. If they can't trust these wholesome, civil, and rational sources then who can they trust? Their world falls apart.
If NYT quoting the victims of communism foundation and Zenz isn't enough then nothing is, they will herd these morons into a nice feel-good mentality. WAKE UP SHEEPLE
Azov Battalion drops neo-Nazi symbol exploited by Russian propagandists
Western cope intensifies as they are losing their grip on the information war.
Oh and they also just replaced it with the Right Sektor sword trident lmao
So now they admit they use Nazi symbols then I guess we can move the slider forward.
"lol silly Russian bot, they are not Nazis".
"They are Nazis but its not that bad trust me its just a few bad apples."
"Ok they are bad but they are changing look no more swastikas!" <---
"Ok maybe they are not actually changing but we need them anyway we will deal with them later."
"Fuck you stupid Russian communist bot,
Nazisthey are the heroes of the anti-communist struggle and we will always support anyone fighting against the orc tribes of the east."Getting a new logo once people starts complaining about the old one being too mask off nazi is a time honoured tradition on the far right.
"We no longer use the SS runes, we are just average moderate people who want to kill all non-aryans and removed so will you please stop calling us Nazis?"
The Sword Trident is also a Ukrainian ultra-nationalist symbol. Way to go guys.
Article 8: Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
The SCOTUS just ruled that you can put a man to death even if he is innocent and his attorneys at both his trial and appeal threw the case.
Article 12: No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
SCOTUS is planning to throw this one out, too. And the NSA wiretaps. And... yeah.
What basis do they give for trashing the UN other than not playing along with the story?
US has a million dead from covid, so what better way to distract from that by saying that :china-stars: is twice as evil?
By starting this war Putin got exactly the opposite of what he wanted! Now Sweden and Finland will join NATO and the west will be as united as ever!
Erdogan Declares NATO Talks With Finland & Sweden Unsuccessful
Oh... Well, nevermind.... But the west still stands united, ready to defend democratic values!
EU unity on Russia sanctions ‘crumbling’ – Germany RT
But you see ... The west is very united, Putin is so owned...
EU fails to agree on Russia oil embargo, to try again Monday before summit
Really, really united...
It was really funny to watch the media do a collective celebration dance at Sweden and Finland handing in their NATO applications:
'In Rebirth for NATO, Europe Unites in Face of Putin’s Ambition' (May 16th, NYT)
And Europe saying they were finally gonna do the economic nuclear option of a Russian oil and gas embargo that they should call Russia's bluff on even after Russia showed that it was perfectly willing to turn the gas off:
'Europe should call Russia's bluff on energy' (May 5th, CNN)
And that it was a signifier of EU unity:
'Putin’s gas shock is acid test of EU unity' (April 27th, Reuters)
Vladimir Putin has crossed the Rubicon. In cutting off gas to Poland and Bulgaria, the Russian president is forcing other countries to choose whether to bow to his demands for payment in roubles, or accept a damaging energy embargo. It shoves the European Union towards a critical test of its unity.
Then it was just an oil embargo, as Europe ran back to Russia to buy natural gas... then they couldn't agree on an oil embargo... then Turkey said they wouldn't let Sweden and Finland join NATO...
Then there was that article by the WSJ on May 18th by Joe Lieberman, 'Does Erdogan’s Turkey Belong in NATO?', which was pretty entertaining.
I've noticed that the number of masturbatory articles by western journalists has gone way down lately. That's partially because there's been a swathe of articles about gun control and things of that nature after Buffalo and Texas, but also because, like, what can they even really report on? The Kharkiv front has been largely stopped in its tracks, Russia is moving forward in Donbass, there's a small advance near Kherson but it doesn't seem to be recapturing anything other than miles upon miles of farmland at great cost to their own troops. All you can do is just be like "yeah, this NEXT weapon will be the gamechanger. no, actually, THIS one will. no, THIS." as the weeks go by without any breakthroughs for Ukraine.
All in all, Putin must be quaking in his boots at the incredible amount of unity arrayed against him, and the sanctions on him, as he dries his tears with stacks of oil money.
I must admit that I'm pretty amazed at how hard the west has failed. I thought they would be able to wield at least some power but at every step of the way they have revealed themselves to be a paper tiger.
- Economic sanctions? Russia is weathering the storm while the sanctions backfires on the west.
- Supplying weapons to the Ukraine? A nuisance to Russia, but not the game changer it was advertised to be.
- NATO expansion in the Baltics? Failing because of internal bickering
- Ukrainian EU membership? Forget about it, the rich countries in Europe doesn't want to pay for that.
- Shaming Russia as a BadCountry? Sure, westoids hate Russia but the rest of the world doesn't join the bandwagon as they were supposed to.
H&K stock went soaring in the immediate days following Russia crossing into Ukraine in late Feb
I can only assume other arms manufacturers had similar spikes
I wonder if Putin was counting on this or if these were "well if we are lucky" or if he is as amused and surprised by the complete lack of spine.
I love how they frame the gas shutoff as "we will not bow to putler's DEMANDS to be paid for gas in rubles" instead of putin not bowing to their demands for free gas.
Anti-multipolarity leftists were so eager for the imperialist bloc to unite for some reason.
So whiteoids are preparing to throw Saudi under the bus but only partially and are also clearing their names along with it.
Love to piss off Saudi Arabia after pissing off Russia, Iran and Venezuela. Where are these beings of pure thought going to get their energy and oil from?
They're trying to scare Saudi's into submission right now with limited propaganda spread.
Why would Saudi Arabia be scared? They hold all the cards and have the leverage. It’s an oil seller’s market, and the US/EU needs them way more than Saudis need the US/EU.
There’s no reason for the Saudis to buckle unless a coup is thrown
The yanks are famous for being able to throw one hell of a coup though.
It would only take a few dozen cruise missile strikes to leave Saudi completely without water, at which point human survival in the peninsula would be, what, months? weeks?
That is a tall order. This is surely one of the most headlined war of all time with all the bloggers out there. And surely 80% of the headlines are really stupid takes by people regurgitating and inflating propaganda by the Ukraine MoD. Bad as is it I highly doubt it is the shittiest shit in the shit heap.
today... so far. "Two things are infinite: the universe and
humanliberal's stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
atrocities such as "stopping extremist ukrainian nationalists from murdering hundreds of thousands of jews" and "fighting a war of defence against revanchist and belligerent poland"
New York-listed shares in Internet heavyweight Alibaba have lost 57% of their value in the past year, while those of education businesses such as TAL Education and New Oriental Education have each plunged 89% in the past 12 months.
:stonks-down: :xi-lib-tears:
This is cool and good. The existence of "education companies" is an abomination to the concept of education.
The US government would move heaven and hell to preserve the stock price of mega corporations meanwhile the Chinese government will kick them while they're down and show them their place.
As it should be, the government should have corporations on a tight leash, not the other way around.
“In China you have a vibrant market economy, but capital does not rise above political authority, and capital does not have enshrined rights. This is unlike America, where both capital and the interests of capital have risen above the American nation itself. The political authority cannot check the power of capital, and that is why America is a capitalist nation but China is not.”
- Eric Xun Li, a Chinese venture capitalist
"A runaway Nazi tried to pretend to be a mother of two children Yulia Paevskaya - call sign Tyra - was caught when she tried to escape from Azovstal in a medical service car. She claimed to be a mother of two children and injured. However, the children who were with her said that this Nazi shot their parents [!!] and threatened to kill them. Now she is waiting for her harsh sentence." https://t.me/ZandVchannel/14654
I think we should let gravity be judge, jury, and executioner :pit:
Here's more about the monster, by one of Russian military correspondents (https://t.me/voenkor_evtushenko/707):
"Azov" and its fantastic creatures... At the beginning of liberation of Mariupol, at the city exit in the direction of Mangush/Berdyansk, an ambulance was stopped. A driver with woman who looked like a Swedish lesbian and two kids. Her name is "Taira" (Yulia Paevskaya). She worked in "Azov" as paramedic, her group was called "Angels of Taira".
As people who knew her from the Donetsk pre-war sports community told me, she knew oriental medicine and martial arts. And she had a strange, weird habit - she loved to pull out (or tear or...not sure how to translate "выдергивать" properly) the shoulder joints of men at aikido seminars!? Unnecessarily, for fun. Thus not surprising that she murdered the parents of these children from the ambulance... And she tried to intimidate the children in order to pretend to be their mother - a plot with German spy from "The Moment of Truth".
I think Tyra should be hanging first (He is alluding to the existing death sentence in DPR) .
A driver with woman who looked like a Swedish lesbian and two kids.
:not-good:
Ah, certainly not the most politically correct way to put it - anyway I just translated.
I don't mind mocking her for looking like a damn swed but using lesbian as an insult is fuck3d
I have no sympathy for the western side in this war but the transphobia and homophobia of Russian Telegram is really nasty and cringe.
I'd take everything the Russian press says with a little bit of salt.
Nonono, these are random telegram posts, they must be true.
Just a gentle reminder; Ukraine and Russia are both using a propaganda war. Ukraine is really bad at it, but that doesn't mean you should take Russian sources at face value. Stay skeptical.
While I somewhat agree I do have to ask what you've seen that's been false? I haven't seen anything remotely like the debunks we see against Ukraine and western media for anything from Russia's outlets.
official russian sources have put out some truly absurd maps showing far more of ukraine occupied than is realistic, for example. usually those are easy to spot and ignore tho
The building blocks of propaganda is not lies but focus. Russian propaganda emphasises the stuff that makes them look good and keep quiet about the stuff that makes them look bad. They might not tell (that many) outright lies but they are still presenting a rose-tinted version of reality.
Random Russian telegrams isn’t the same as official Russian sources. Anyone can create a telegram
Yes and I’m yet to see a single instance of official Russian sources saying anything false or deceptive since the start of this operation. The extent to which intelslava and other news aggregators stick to the official media they are quite reliable, they become less reliable in areas where they share their opinions or takes. It’s usually pretty easy to tel the difference
It’s usually pretty easy to tel the difference
Millions and millions of Americans think that, too.
Yes and they don’t have the tools of dialectical materialism and Marxian lens to make sense of everything, nor do they have a hobby of learning tons about history and the functioning of society. Trust your comrades to suss out the truth from any sources, cut the condescending hand-holding of “approved sources” that reeks of Liberal credentialism and both-sidesism
Russian sources made up several weird stories about Moskva being sunk because of an accident only for it to be proven by photograph that it got hit by a rocket. Same goes for the Russians lying about not sending in conscripts.
It was the Russian MoD sources reporting the boat even sank, and US pentagon sources saying it was towed back to Sevastopol. I still don’t believe there has been conclusive evidence of missiles.
https://nos.nl/l/2425578
The picture shows two obvious points of external damage at the front and back. At the same time the sea is very calm. At the very least Russia lied about it being an accident on board (since two points of external damage) or that it sunk because of a storm.
I didn't believe that the Ukrainians sunk the Moskva for a long time because they falsely claimed they had sunk so many Russian ships. The Moskva itself had been reported as sunk at least once before it was actually hit by those missiles.
Wow so deep. All information is the same and it’s all propaganda and trying to make any sense of it is futile, nothing can be known. Sit back and understand the futility of social science, let the status quo reign
Believe it or not the rest of the world also has critical thinking skills, your so paternalistic with this shit
I will believe whatever I find to be credible from whatever sources I like and there’s nothing your Pearl clutching about disinfo propaganda can do about it
You feel a compulsive need to police the “approved sources” for your comrades, who you obviously are sneering down on for believing “propaganda” and Russian disinfo. You act like people can’t suss out info from various reactionary or liberal sources as if we are children you need to correct.
This only happens when people start taking non-western media more seriously that western media. Suddenly it becomes a flattening “it’s all just as bad as everything else man” which is obfuscatory and controlling, not demystifying
Some sources are better and more reliable than others. Western media and Ukrainian media and western governments are objectively more full of imperialist shit. They are not equal, and we don’t need your footnotes on everything. If you have a specific claim or a specific source you want to refute, go for it and make your case. But stop smearing all non-western media as “just as bad” vaguely
I’m sick of westerners doing both sides shit regarding Russia and the general global south. It’s everywhere and it’s chauvinism and it drips from your condescending tone
You are the one starting this all with a condescending “both sides” meme and then continued to just belittle and talk down instead of engaging with my concerns about your chauvinism at all.
Do you understand how frustrating it is for non-western anti-imperialists that the only westerners who “agree” with us about the need for the destruction of the American empire also feel the constant compulsion to “chime in” and remind us that the global south enemies are “just as evil” and we are stupid for taking a side.
How about you learn your place as westoids, your role is to destroy your empire from within. That’s it. It is never, ever to criticize the targets of your imperialist empire and align with them. To use rhetorical tricks to obfuscate the truth of the one-sided evil that must be destroyed
I’m not looking into your mind I am talking about your words, your memes and your general attitude of “both sides are bad” which is self-serving bullshit
Anti-imperialism = reaction
The western left does it again folks
Critical support from Russians. From westoid you shut your mouth. You don’t treat the west and the east as equally evil or propagandistic. You deal with your assigned role of destroying your empire. Why can westoid leftists never hold adequately to a simple anti-imperialist line?
i haven't seen RT outright lie yet whereas CIA sources (all MSM) do it daily
30,000 Russian troops dead they claim. Plus 1,330 (+8) tanks, 3,258 (+12) armored fighting vehicles, 628 (+5) artillery pieces, 203 (+2) MLR systems, 93 (+0) air defense systems, 207 (+1) warplanes, 174 (+4) helicopters, 503 (+0) operational and tactical level UAVs, 116 (+1) cruise missiles, 13 (+0) warships/cutters, 2,226 (+0) other vehicles and tanker trucks, and 48 (+0) pieces of special equipment Disabled/destroyed/captured
Those mobile crematoriums must be so overworked from having to cremate thousands of corpses and melt down thousands of destroyed equipments to let Russia put out their fake news propaganda about how ukraine's number count is so inflated it's distorting reality.
Damn it looks like they're doing so well they don't need any more help :shrug-outta-hecks:
If anything they should start paying back, with interest, everything they've borrowed since they'll obviously be having their victory parade in Red Square pretty soon
Also this looks a lot like Ukrainians admitting their own losses, it’s actually eerily similar to the numbers of Ukrainian losses claimed by the Russians. Projection?
Wasn’t it 30,000 dead troops back in March? They have gotten 0 kills in several months of intense fighting?
Just overestimate casualties early on, and then slowly catch up. It's like a stretch goal.
Then the Biden administration came into office, and they decided to put it bluntly to their partners in the Middle East: the current host of the White House did not like the war in Yemen and was not going to support it.
Except the Biden admin has continued to support it. In fact, it still provides essential logistical support, spare parts, intelligence, and training. Without it, the Saudi side would effectively collapse offensively.
Ah the liberal delusion of fending the flames for decades and thinking you can simply put a stop to it with a speech on the “bully pulpit”
Reminds me of Hillary “Light Itself” Clinton’s claim that she told Wall Street to “just stop it!”
"Sir! Sir! I I simply must object to the behaviour which you have exhibited over the last few years towards Yemen! We are quite unhappy at your conduct here. Of course, we shall continue to supply weapons and intelligence, but please, be more gentle to the people of that country!"
"Fuck off."
"How rude. I won't change my relationship with you - we are gentleman of our words, after all - but I give you two thumbs down!"
Ukraine arming their militias with outdated equipment dating all the way back to ww1
Also there are men aged in their 60s fighting now. Apparently the one interviewed in this one is a 62 year old Ukrainian who really went hard into cossack-ifying himself and says every Ukrainian is a cossack and as long as one cossack lives Ukraine lives. :huh:
Volunteer Ukrainian fighters are tooling around in Soviet-era military vehicles armed with WWI-vintage machine guns while done up as their fierce Cossack ancestors that have challenged Russian authority since the 16th century.
Russia takes tanks from the 1960s out of storage to reinforce a relatively quiet area of occupied Ukraine: "Russia is running out of tanks! They're about to lose!"
Ukraine uses weaponry from the 1910s, dressed up as 16th century Cossacks: "AWESOME!!! Ukraine's about to deliver the finishing blow on Russia in STYLE! That's how much they don't even need modern weaponry, as the Russian orcs are so primitive!"
A ninety year old machine gun will kill you just as dead as a modern one. Reminds me of Syria, where all kinds of weird shit was dug out of basements and museums. Or Iraq, where the most unexpected weapons kept turning up in arms caches.
https://archive.ph/91lXB
"NATO is no longer bound by it's commitments to Russia and will beef up Eastern European presence, says dept sec general"
Truly fucking amazing. Up is down, left is right, 2+2=5
"NATO has guaranteed [country's] security for 70 years"
- News anchor on my politically independent, unbiased and neutral European TV station.
I'm so happy not to live in Russia where the media is full of pro-government propaganda.
