You know, it's funny. I have a lot of trouble taking a side on the China debate--on the one hand, I don't trust Western media at all; on the other hand, I'm not prepared to trust Chinese media sources fully either, and I don't know where to look for a source that doesn't have a dog in the fight, so to speak.
But when it comes to Hong Kong, I know exactly where I stand: it's part of China, and should always have been. The fact that there's even a distinction is a result of truly abominable actions taken by the Western powers. Britain wanted to sell fucking opium in China, and when they weren't allowed to, they showed up, killed a bunch of people, and stole money, land, priceless cultural artifacts, and an entire fucking city in addition to forcing their opium to be sold there. And then the other Western powers killed more people to get in on the thievery.
And now not only does the West have the fucking gall to push an anti-drug line throughout the fucking world, but even after Hong Kong was returned to China, they think they have the right to dictate how it should be run? Like, what the fuck?
I’m not prepared to trust Chinese media sources fully either,
if you need a white person to show you this shit, then just watch china youtubers to get a feel for what live in china is like, or just you know check the chinese internte
its actually incredible that people just believe the richest and most populated country in the world is just impossible to get news about thats not CIA propaganda or State propaganda
That's fine. Just don't have a "take" on the topic you are ignorant on.
If the ignorant western Leftist take was "I don't know what's going on in China" coupled with opposing US imperialism, that would be great.
But the typical take I see is "I don't trust the global US empire nor those shrewd asiatics", while refusing to seriously investigate the conditions in China.
Yeah, that seems about right. Though I do find it okay to distrust the chinese government without strong evidence, so long as you don't have specific takes as you say.
Feels like maybe the context is that we were talking about both the west and China having unreliable media? Nothing about the individuals on either end.
This is the geopolitical equivalent of Trump/Biden's "There are bad people on both sides" bullshit. China isn't putting a fleet off the coast of Mexico and drumming up international angst about the concentration camps on the boarder (if they did, I'd totally support it though).
on the other hand, I’m not prepared to trust Chinese media sources fully either,
You know, I see this sentiment a lot, but I've never actually seen anyone rely on Chinese state sources to make claims about China.
Whenever I see anti-China narratives dismissed, the evidence always rests on other Western sources, international sources, holes in the Western narratives, or a lack of credibility of the Western sources.
I’ve never actually seen anyone rely on Chinese state sources to make claims about China.
/r/Sino does it periodically.
Whenever I see anti-China narratives dismissed, the evidence always rests on other Western sources, international sources, holes in the Western narratives, or a lack of credibility of the Western sources.
I’ve never actually seen anyone rely on Chinese state sources to make claims about China.
/r/Sino does it periodically.
tbf thats a tiny tiny tiny subreddit doing it occasionally, but you are correct lots of CGTN stuff especially and even some more nefarious shit,
but lets compare that to literally any other space on the internet simping for BBC and NPR and taking that shit as absolute truth, hell RFA is treated more seriously than chinese media on that shithole of a website
Eh. /r/Sino is fine. It's Teen Vogue for Chinese Nationalists, but "Check out this Uighur rapper and this tourism video of Xianjing and all these cool new gadgets Chinese manufacturers are releasing" is a nice change of pace from "Tianeman Square any day now" reposts on /r/worldnews.
You know, it's funny. I have a lot of trouble taking a side on the China debate--on the one hand, I don't trust Western media at all; on the other hand, I'm not prepared to trust Chinese media sources fully either, and I don't know where to look for a source that doesn't have a dog in the fight, so to speak.
But when it comes to Hong Kong, I know exactly where I stand: it's part of China, and should always have been. The fact that there's even a distinction is a result of truly abominable actions taken by the Western powers. Britain wanted to sell fucking opium in China, and when they weren't allowed to, they showed up, killed a bunch of people, and stole money, land, priceless cultural artifacts, and an entire fucking city in addition to forcing their opium to be sold there. And then the other Western powers killed more people to get in on the thievery.
And now not only does the West have the fucking gall to push an anti-drug line throughout the fucking world, but even after Hong Kong was returned to China, they think they have the right to dictate how it should be run? Like, what the fuck?
if you need a white person to show you this shit, then just watch china youtubers to get a feel for what live in china is like, or just you know check the chinese internte
I will have you know that every Chinese person is either brainwashed or controlled by the CCP or both
Except those who agree with me of course
its actually incredible that people just believe the richest and most populated country in the world is just impossible to get news about thats not CIA propaganda or State propaganda
"Trust nobody, they all cunts" is a perfectly acceptable line to take on the China debate.
Edit: TALKING ABOUT THE MEDIA. THE BIT ABOUT THE MEDIA. SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Feigning ignorance isn't an acceptable line on any topic.
what about being concious of the fact, that you are ignorant?
I am ignorant on the topic of China. Instead of both-siding the discussion, I prefer not to say anything and keep learning silently.
That's fine. Just don't have a "take" on the topic you are ignorant on.
If the ignorant western Leftist take was "I don't know what's going on in China" coupled with opposing US imperialism, that would be great.
But the typical take I see is "I don't trust the global US empire nor those shrewd asiatics", while refusing to seriously investigate the conditions in China.
Yeah, that seems about right. Though I do find it okay to distrust the chinese government without strong evidence, so long as you don't have specific takes as you say.
Feels like victim-blaming when we're bankrolling terrorism abroad, then calling the people subject to the horror "untrustworthy cunts".
Feels like maybe the context is that we were talking about both the west and China having unreliable media? Nothing about the individuals on either end.
Bit of reading comprehension next time please?
This is the geopolitical equivalent of Trump/Biden's "There are bad people on both sides" bullshit. China isn't putting a fleet off the coast of Mexico and drumming up international angst about the concentration camps on the boarder (if they did, I'd totally support it though).
This is a one sided aggression.
You know, I see this sentiment a lot, but I've never actually seen anyone rely on Chinese state sources to make claims about China.
Whenever I see anti-China narratives dismissed, the evidence always rests on other Western sources, international sources, holes in the Western narratives, or a lack of credibility of the Western sources.
/r/Sino does it periodically.
There's a lot of that, too, certainly.
tbf thats a tiny tiny tiny subreddit doing it occasionally, but you are correct lots of CGTN stuff especially and even some more nefarious shit,
but lets compare that to literally any other space on the internet simping for BBC and NPR and taking that shit as absolute truth, hell RFA is treated more seriously than chinese media on that shithole of a website
r/Sino and r/China are so hilarious
r/Sino had a post on the frontpage that said „If China is racist against Uyghurs how come there’s an Uyghur rapper in the charts??“
r/China had top comments that said „Fuck the CCP I hope US invades and liberates this country“
I have seen a lot of useless subs and these 2 are in the top 5
Eh. /r/Sino is fine. It's Teen Vogue for Chinese Nationalists, but "Check out this Uighur rapper and this tourism video of Xianjing and all these cool new gadgets Chinese manufacturers are releasing" is a nice change of pace from "Tianeman Square any day now" reposts on /r/worldnews.
yeah like its an inherently dumb echo-y space but its less racist than most US city subreddits
most of the protesters in HK don't want to HK to be independent you can google it