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Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Yesterday's discussion post.


    • SoyViking [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      A funny side story is that of Sweden and Finland. Under great fanfare they announced that they were going to join NATO. Every westoid dipshit rejoiced about how they were really sticking it to Putin and how the war had backfired for Russia who now would have two extra NATO members at its border instead of one. Russia responded by talking of more nuclear weapons in the Baltic region. Happy times.

      And then the most funny thing happened. NATO is not like an amateur football club that you can join just by filling out a form and paying a fee, to join you need to get the approval of all existing NATO members. And Turkey, who saw little benefit in committing to a possible war in the far north of Europe, saw is opportunity to scratch some old itches about Sweden and Finland being too friendly to the Kurds. They demanded that the two would-be members started to repress politically organised Kurds in order to allow the expansion. Their demands includes the extradition of a Kurdish-Swedish member of parliament, and the blocks in the Swedish parliament are so equal in size that this one MP can bring the succdem government down.

      Essentially the Turkish demands are too humiliating for Sweden and Finland to accept so at the time of writing Sweden and Finland has given up all the benefits of pro forma neutrality and gained none of the benefits of NATO membership.

      • krammaskin [none/use name]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Sweden and Finland has given up all the benefits of pro forma neutrality and gained none of the benefits of NATO membership.

        Just like Ukraine did.

    • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      edit-2
      3 years ago

      Russia is winning as for the last couple months they've been focussing on an artillery war, which Russia is really good at, and destroying Ukrainian equipment and killing and wounding tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops. There has been considerable movement on the Donbass front in that time, but if you've glanced at the map every now and then, it would seem like there's been little movement. This is because Donbass has been reinforced by trench networks and strongpoints over the last 8 years of fighting, with defense in depth, and Ukraine is using the WW2 Nazi strategy of holding indefensible positions at great cost to their own troops for no particular gain other than hollow media "victories" as they're "stalemating" Russia. The West has been sending weaponry, yes, but it's drying up aside from the US's stockpile (and even that is looking a little dicey) because Europe just doesn't have the industrial capacity nor willingness to send in enough equipment. Just yesterday, one of Zelensky's advisers said they needed an incredible amount of equipment - 1000 howitzers, 500 tanks I think, the list goes on. Germany is just now finishing up the training and supply of seven howitzers. Ukraine is also running out of ammo, while Russia, despite many predictions that their supplies and industry would collapse, has maintained its rate of fire and is turning their army, as I said before, into paste. Ukraine has achieved some limited advances up near Kharkiv, but it's too little too late. They're trying to attack Kherson on a wide front right now, but it doesn't seem to be going super well for them - they're mainly trying to draw Russian forces away from Donbass, like they're in a chokehold and they're trying to punch Russia to try and weaken their grip, but it's getting ever meeker as they run out of oxygen.

      Everybody knows it's a proxy war, it's just how much the officials wanna officially admit it. For example, a month or so ago, the NYT(?) ran an article about how American intelligence is being used to kill Russian generals and such, and American officials told the journalists to shut the fuck up.

      Russia has consolidated its hold on Kherson and most of Zaporozhye oblast (changing their education systems, switching from Ukraine's currency to the ruble, wiping away bank debts of the citizens, offering Russian passports and citizenship), in the south of Ukraine, and it looks like they're just gonna get annexed. Russia holds, or will hold once the DPR and LPR are fully captured/liberated/whatever, a full quarter of Ukraine's territory, and a significant proportion of its arable and industrial base. Russia may end up going for Odessa and Mykolaiv oblasts once Donbass is liberated. They could even go for the whole of Ukraine, though I'm not sure how much I really believe that.

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
          hexagon
          ·
          3 years ago

          Going off the headlines in MSM you would think Ukraine is on the verge of victory so this is an enlightening update. Appreciate it.

          I think the efforts of the MSM were initially like a nuclear bomb of propaganda for the first week or two, with the Snake Island thing and the Ghost of Kyiv, and then it settled down into a Great Wall, where no opinion even vaguely critical of Ukraine could penetrate. This has only really broken a bit in the last week or so, with a slate of articles suggesting that Ukraine might not actually win this. But today, there's a return to the old narrative. I ultimately think that they'll push the pro-Ukraine narrative right up until the last Ukrainian soldier dies defending the last Ukrainian city, if it comes to that. They report Russian advances as losses, but those losses are getting suspiciously closer and closer to Ukrainian cities...

          This is what I’ve been wondering about. Since neutrality doesn’t seem to be on the table are they just going to go for the whole thing?

          There's been a whole saga over the last few months about what exactly Zelensky and his party are going for. Zelensky himself isn't a very helpful source, as he jumps between "We will need to negotiate with Russia to end this war" and "We will retake Donbass and Crimea no matter what!" on consecutive days. I think there's a good case that he and his party are being controlled by the West - there was an example about how the timing of Ukraine withdrawing from negotiations was at the exact same time that Boris Johnson went to go visit and talked to Zelensky. Since Istanbul in March(?), there hasn't been any serious attempt at restarting negotiations. The West has gradually shifted from "Ukraine will obviously win this war" to "Okay, Ukraine might not win, and besides what even is victory? But we need to continue giving them weapons so that they can have the best negotiating position possible." The obvious problem with that is that Ukraine continues to lose territory every day, and they aren't really getting any stronger compared to Russia, so if that remains the official policy, the war will never end unless Ukraine is fully annexed, or at least the government is captured and a puppet government is put in its place.

          Russia likely wants Novorossiya, which is a region that broadly constitutes the east and south of Ukraine. Odessa, Myklolaiv, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkiv. Maybe Dnipro, maybe not. You can freely speculate whether Russia will actually get all that before Ukraine capitulates, or whether Ukraine will never capitulate and Russia will just continue advancing towards the west and north. Medvedev just said “Who said Ukraine will exist on the world map in two years?” in response to the US proposing a Lend-Lease program that will last until 2024. Is that just a threat to scare them into surrendering? Is that a promise? I don't know.

          • 20000bannedposters [love/loves]
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            edit-2
            3 years ago

            There's most definitely a large number of people in the Russian govt that want to go all the way to kiev. They start saying things than the next day kremlin walks it back.

      • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
        ·
        3 years ago

        I thought Russia was motivated in no small part by not wanting to share borders with NATO. If they annexed all of Ukraine, that would kinda go out the window, no?

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
          hexagon
          ·
          3 years ago

          Russia already shares borders with NATO. They don't want NATO to have open terrain to drive through to Moscow from Kiev, nor for NATO to control a country that is (or at least was) an important ally to Russia.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Ukraine would resume it's historical role as Russia's borderlands, a buffer between Russia and Europe.

      • Prinz1989 [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        They are not "happy to move slowly" they tried moving fast and found their losses too high their logistics too vulnarable. No military ever goes with the war of attrition as plan A. Just take a look at WWI how long it took them to accept that a war of attrition was what they were in. Ironically it is the stronger side that really does not want to do the war of attrition. The weaker side might argue that if they just hold out long enough the enemy might loose the will to fight, like the Vietnamese and Afghans did against the US and I think this is what Ukraine is going for so far without too much success it seems, but maybe Russia is moving so slowly because their soldiers actually are unwilling to go for riskier but more rewarding moves. The stronger side always wants to use their strengh to end the war of attrition and go back to the war of manover and it looks like Russia can't do that for whatever reason.

        This side has correctly seen through the wests propaganda Ukraine is not winning, but it has mostly accepted the Russian position as gospel. Go two weeks or a month or six weeks back with some accounts and they always claim that Ukraine is just two weeks away from collapse, being encirclement, surrendering on mass that things will get moving again and then they don't. Unless there is just wild speculation that Poland will invade Ukraine in which case Germany of course will have to retake Hinterpommern...

        The most realistic scenario of an end is that Ukraines or Russias homefront collapses before any decisive battle ends and just for the record again I still believe that Ukraine is in the worse position since Russia has more material and Ukraines economy is in shambles, but this might go on for a long time.

        • comi [he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Russia can’t go faster cause:

          A) ukraine still has s300, and russia hasn’t planned for dealing with their own anti air systems in their doctrines

          B) ukraine gets full recon from the west, so there can be no surprise attacks with large scale movements of heavy weaponry

          C) the state of russian spetznaz is not so great to do deep sabotage/the fortified regions are impenetrable to this in any case

          D) russia hasn’t learned railway bridges locations in ukraine

            • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
              ·
              3 years ago

              This guy is a known doomer, he always takes the least charitable interpretation of every event for Russia

            • comi [he/him]
              ·
              3 years ago

              Explain why donetsk gets shelled by m777/caesars? Maybe some large air transport brought them there? :puzzled:

                • comi [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  How did they get from poland all the way to donetsk? :soviet-hmm: how do shells get delivered? :soviet-hmm: some logistics mysteries science just can’t answer

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
          hexagon
          ·
          3 years ago

          The price of everything is going up everywhere, the EU is almost certainly going into recession, the US probably will too in the next year or so. Supply chains are getting fucked up, there's gonna be a global food crisis, there's an energy crisis that may be even worse than the crisis of the 1970s. Meanwhile, Russia, which is a largely self-sufficient economy with some capacity for state control, has faced the incredible amounts of sanctions placed against it and kinda shrugged it off. It certainly isn't looing good aside from a couple metrics, but it's very far from fatal, and the damage on the West is definitely higher than the damage on the East.

          In a bigger sense, the dollar hegemony's decline is accelerating, partially due to the US seizing Russia's foreign reserves and thus undermining global trust in the financial system, and also because Russia, China and friends are beginning to explicitly move away from the dollar and towards national currencies. The ruble is the best performing currency in the world this year, to the point where it's actually now too strong and, if anything, Russia's economists aren't doing enough to keep it under control.