https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1542509947350446080

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    AOC please read 'reform or do away with the whole thing' by rosa luxemburg

    I haven't bc I don't read theory but I assume it would help her

  • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Obviously "do away with the whole thing" is the correct answer (too bad no one's come up with a word for this!), but the lib response should be to tell Biden to ignore the ruling. He won't, but god he could kneecap the court in an instant just by saying he won't follow the ruling. "Reform" is meaningless at this point.

  • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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    2 years ago

    she should split the party. Her name has to be big enough by now. Even if it's just succdem shit it will at least be a little actual fucking opposition in government. Give people something to organize around, and the party organizations could and should do mostly non-electorial things.

    Communists could easily infiltrate such a party, the Bolsheviks were part of the Russian Social Democratic Party before splitting with the succdems.

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      In the US, changing your vote to your second choice is a federal crime instead of a built-in option on the ballot. Third parties are de facto illegal.

      If someone is going to do electoralism the only choices are A: Entryism and B: once in a century party change from one duopoly to another

      Entryism can include treating something like the DSA as its own sub-party underneath the umbrella of the one and only left of center party

      • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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        2 years ago

        in moments of extreme sectarianism, like 1850s up to the civil war, the United States saw the formation of pretty radical and ideological driven parties. While most didn't see much electoral success and were usually regional when they did they still did a lot to increase nation tensions and gave abolitionists space to agitate.

        like yeah this succdem third party probably wouldn't be viable if we are just talking about electoral success. But I think there is potential for them as organizational vehicle for non-electorial activities. There's obviously a split in the democratic party, I think it would only benefit the "left-wing" (lol) to free themselves of the rotting corpse of the democratic party. Maybe wait until the economic crash and trump 2024.

        • fusion513 [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          When I start feeling down about the prospects for third party success, I just think about how it was literally illegal to be part of a union before 1935 in the US... but people did it anyways and they had scary MFs like the Pinkertons to contend with the whole time.

      • geikei [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        The dems will never be a left of center party and a socialist party could never meaningfully opperate in the way and capacity it should as a subparty under the umbrela of the third most antisocialist party of modern history (after Nazis and the GoP)

    • RION [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Would be at least interesting to do something like the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact—start a mini-party that exists in the democrat ecosystem until it reaches a certain amount of popular support/elected members at which point it breaks off completely

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      I mean, its a step up from the Pelosi/Feinstein strategy of telling supporters to fuck off.

      But let it never be said that Democrats don't know how to inflict party discipline. The Squad went in all fire and brimestone, only to come out meek as lambs. Just one more reason why electoralism sucks. Without a city-wide movement of labor activists to exert discipline over the politicians, all you get is angry posting and heckling from the sidelines while aristocrats run roughshod over the people.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          2 years ago

          AOC, though I don’t think she is anywhere remotely near their neoliberal ghoulishness, is still building her cred to position herself as the future President.

          If she seriously has her eyes on the White House, she wasn't paying attention to the Sanders campaign.

          As it stands, she can't even get an ally into the mayor's office. I wouldn't hold my breath on the White House.

          Now, almost 15 years later, many of them either became disillusioned and left politics altogether, became radicalized into reactionaries, or became part of the ruling neoliberal ghouls. Such is the fate for soc dems.

          I guess time will tell, but I'd sooner predict AOC stepping down (or being squeezed out) than getting a promotion.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      Sucdems always do the based “right” talk but fail the worker’s movement every time.

      Succs spend their whole lives trying to get into office. When you dedicate your life to grasping a hammer, is it any surprise that you see every problem as a nail?

      For a brief magical moment, she did seem to be rallying people to a cause and driving action on policy above and beyond the realm of politics. But then she spent a bit too much time being told "This is how to do things" and believing the people who were whispering in her ears. And now here we are.

  • JosipBRUHTito [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Lathe time: Dems get rid of filibuster a week before losing both houses to Republicans, who now can not be filibustered (the dems never did this anyway so this outcome won't change the future)

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Nah it doesn't matter, the Republicans get everything they want including filibuster carveouts whenever they end up actually needing one

    • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Dems do use the filibuster. That's why the biggest legislation out of the Trump admin was the tax cuts (that went through budget reconciliation)

      But Republicans benefit more from the fillibuster since the Supreme Court advances their goals (as we have been seeing)

  • Vncredleader
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    2 years ago

    Posting is only based when you don't have political power. a million tweets like this dont move the dial at all from shit like the Iron Dome vote

  • DJMSilver [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Reform is simply not enough. Listen to any enviroment expert, a complete unending of capitalism is the bare minimum to mitigate the best case scenario (billions of people will die)

  • geikei [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    And yet this tweet from a "good" dem house member implicitly points baby leftists and open for radicalization people towards political goals and projects thats are simply a giant waste of time and focus. That is entryism to the democratic party in order to reform it into an entity that would attempt to reform or abolish the supreme court and other organs into ones that can respond to the climate crisis (never) and then actualy succussfully protecting that without it being reversed by the next GoP or less good dem administration