This is bernie sanders’ fault
Do they teach that line at schools in the US? I’ve seen Americans on the internet mention it very regularly, but it just seems so odd. Some (liberal) democracies are monarchies and some are republics. Why do Americans all seem to think those things are mutually exclusive？
Not explicitly. However, many textbooks (thanks Texas) provide ample room for a teacher to veer into “representative republic” discourse.
To answer the second part, our history education is very focused on an a “progression of the west” ice of history. They first teach us about the revolution, then the continental strains of thought that led to it, Ancient Greece into to the Rome, so on and so forth in that it presents a deeply Eurocentric perspective from an american propaganda perspective.
The hinge point is that part of Americas internal propaganda is that direct democracy is dangerous. They point to oligarchy of Athens (I. Different terms) as good. They point to the monarchy fascist whatever you call Sparta and say “had some good ideas but took it too far”.
The Rome education is very Optimates biased, after all, “if bread and circus buys them they are proof that society needs stewards”. It’s just elitist bullshit. America always was, by, and for those who abused their power to lark as the romans.
Point is, direct democracy is portrayed as antithetical to the “holy will” of the founding fathers (praise be upon them) and their sacred writ if the constitution.
Because
Republic = Republican
Democracy = Democrat
It’s the dumbest possible partisan culture war debate lmao
It’s amusing when Americans stumble across international politics and get upset when people use words like “democrat,” “republican,” “liberal” in ways almost entirely different from the American concepts
They can’t wrap their head around the fact that Bolsonaro and Shinzo Abe are liberals lol
Even funnier was the guy who got upset that Shinzo Abe was referred to as a conservative, when he in fact had been the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party or whatever it's called. The guy just could not understand that a part can be called liberal and still be conservative.
Because they're dumber than dogshit.
We're a democratic republic, like you said they arent mutually exclusive but even the chuds figured out just yelling "fuck democracy" isn't a good look.
It'd be like if you said you can't get mad that your car cant drive because it's not a car it's a Toyota.
Schrodinger’s America: it’s a democracy when you bloviate about China bad, but a repuuuuuublic when your glass house comes back to bite you
Two sides existing in mutual opposition while a third more accurate analysis gets rejected. Perfect for our stupid two party system that mirrors it.
It's a conservative thing, they love to pull out the "we're a constitutional republic, democracy is MOB RULE!!" line to own the libs when they complain about the electoral college
Realistically "republic" just means "non-monarchy," i.e. a system of representatives (democratically elected or not) instead of a monarch. 90% of the world from North Korea to Yemen are constitutional republics.
Do they teach that line at schools in the US?
Sometimes. Most people hear it when they express disappointment with the dogshit it churns out and get it gets used as a way of scolding them.
So is the Republic of South Africa, yet South Africa still a multi party parliamentary democracy that abides by one person one vote. Being a republic doesn't mean that you have to implement an anti democratic system by default lmao.
it's technically a republic.
I hate that this became a chud talking point because it's meaningless if you know what words mean.
Implying any American, myself included knows what words cruel. Mean and cruel are synonyms right?
Is it though? On average we read below the 6th grade level. A coworker I quite like, so this isn’t a diss, had to find me to ask what “supplements” meant because a customer wanted to know where they are. Our education system is so fucking bad, otherwise smart and capable people are left out to dry by it.
USA democracy moment™®
33.3%, or 1/3 of US elections in the 21st century have ended up like this by the way. And in 16.6% or 1/6 of elections in the 21st century, the partisan courts have refused to do a recount that would lead to the candidate favoured by the partisan court losing the election. And in another 1/6 (lol) of elections in the 21st century, supporters of the losing candidate stormed the Capitol and were treated with kids gloves by the state security forces and the police, and were even assisted by them.
And yet they preach about "democracy.
the partisan courts have refused to do a recount
Worse. They intervened to stop a recount, in concert with a collection of paid protesters (aka, The Brooks Brothers Rioters), for the purpose of overturning an election.
Democracy so cool and good like nobody else on earth implemented one like it afterward. Truly, how wise our founding fathers were that everybody else saw how they did it and said "lol fuck that noise."
Lol and Kavanaugh and Barrett, who are now LIFETIME appointments to the Supreme Court, directly worked on Bush's legal team pushing to stop the recount in 2000. Chief Justice John Roberts was an adviser to the governor of Florida, Bush's brother Jeb, during that time as well. But yeah, "wOrLd'S oLdEsT dEmOcRaCy"
The contents of that article were genuinely stunning in how shamelessly arbitrary their decision was.
In fairness to Ceredigion, any fair voting method would yield the same result. It's a coin flip between plaid and labour, and the voters don't particularly mind either. It was the lib dems before that, and while they are usually yellow Tories, Mark Williams is alright.
The system is ridiculous though.
Happens in Canada also, the most popular party usually comes out of the election like bandits with far more representation than their vote totals would imply.
Reposting a previous comment
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States.
For the non-yanks, when you tick the box next to "Genocide Joe", you aren't actually voting for him, you're voting for the people who pinky promise to do so but aren't actually required to.
Ordinary citizens are not allowed to cast votes for a presidential candidate. Only the electors, who will face no consequences aside from party disciplinary action should they break the “gentleman’s agreement”, have this power.
Wrong. If you’re a republican elector, you face the possibility of some psycho murdering you for being a secret communist.
The democrats will just tsk tsk you on twitter and forget who you are during the next election season.
If libs cared about voting so much, they'd pitch a much bigger fit about this shit. But they don't, they care about the status quo.
This is so blatantly not a system for the people. Also every chud who says "we're a collection of states" should get the wall.
I was around in 2000.
Everybody went out and voted and then when it was time for the dems to actually stand for something and fight for the fact they literally won the election they fucked off and handed it to the Republicans.
They're not telling you to vote because they want you to vote they're telling you to vote because they don't want you to do anything else.
They're not telling you to vote because they want you to vote, they're telling you to vote because they don't want you to do anything else.
well said, keeping this
They’re also too cowardly to say “vote democrat.” They’ll just say “VOTE. GO OUT AND VOTE!!” without saying for who. I’m guessing they’re trying to reign in the mythical “moderate conservative” and explicitly telling them to vote democrat will trigger their Patriotic Big Boy Resentment and they’ll vote for Trump out of spite
This always bothered me so much when I was a lib. There are certain people who should absolutely NOT VOTE. I don't want any fucking republicans to ever vote again, except of course for what to watch on movie night in the gulag.
"Collectivism is evil judeo bolshevism!!!! Anyway we're not people with conditions we are states with interests. Get in line, wagie!! Politics 101
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VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
Those 65.5M people simply did not vote hard enough. If California had just turned out another 1M voters, I'm sure the SCOTUS would have stepped in to fix this.
Also, what's up with those 7.6M "Other" voters? Isn't this really kinda their fault? A vote for OTHER is a vote for Donald Trump.
Democrats want me to vote for them despite them making it clear every year that they understand their own politics less than Russians across the planet.
is really 5Head 
for engineering the elections in a way his fave loses popular vote yet wins electoral college.The Wisconsin State House was controlled with as little as 40% of the vote
Banish the electoral college, and implement ranked choice voting. Democracy saved.
we're an oligarchy (de jure though yes)
