I don’t hate myself enough to delve deep into the depp/heard lore. I see that people seem to think he’s absolved, is that real? Do they both suck equally? Tell me how to feel, fellow echo chamber members!
This shit pisses me off, and it know it really shouldn't because both Johnny and Amber are rich asshole celebrities who I will never meet, and will only ever see in increasingly shitty movies. It's pretty clear from the legal case in :ukkk: that Johnny Depp married a woman 23 years his junior, and then proceeded to beat the shit out of her. The people who are like "I'm a feminist, but I thought that Amber got what she deserved because she was a manipulative gold digger" can fuck off.
:this:
The recent suit wasn't even about who abused whom (courts had already found Depp guilty of this) it was about whether or not an article that Heard wrote about being a victim of abuse was defamation, despite not mentioning Depp — people treat it like the former and not the latter and keep doing the enlightened centrism thing of "they're both shitty" which isn't the point here
I used to not care and then I realized that the way Depp is suing Heard for defamation also sets a precedent for talking about abuse you suffered being something you're civilly liable for
Upon further research Depp is a real scumbag. The Manson Salo thing is the most obvious example to point to
This shit was definitely glommed on to by people with an axe to grind about metoo.
This stuff is a pretty transparently part of the reaction against metoo yeah.
Yeh, I aggressively do not care but it’s come across my radar so many times I feel like I need a cookie cutter response next time someone talks about it in front of me and I just refuse to sit through 10 billion hours or depositions or whatever the fuck
It seems most people thought he sued her for abuse. If he did, then the case would probably be less ugly.
Pretty clear Johnny Depp hired a PR firm to swing public opinion back to his side
I don't know anything about the actual court case but anyone who tries to tell me how to think can eat shit and die :hst-gun:
Reddit, YouTube, twitter. One day I woke up and my YouTube suggestions was an endless field of “Amb*r heard EMBARASSED in court”
As far as I’ve absorbed from osmosis though it wasn’t just public opinion, he was also legally absolved? If im wrong I’d love to get a straight answer about it. Even “feminists” I know have told me they’re on his side
Legally, he got a small slap on the wrist, whereas Amber got hit with with a pretty big fine. Specifically (only know this after looking it up now) Amber got awarded $2mil, and Depp got $15mil.
But the whole trial wasn't about abuse, it was about defamation. It seems like they both suck and were shitty to each other, and just because it was 'proven' that Amber lied about about some of the abuse doesn't necessarily prove anything about any of her other statements. Even libs who 100% trust US courts can't lean on it for a verdict about abuse when that's not what the trial was about.
I've seen people say "Oh, but he hit her once, he'd have lost the trial so hard!" to mean that he's innocent, but I don't find that very convincing. From what I've seen, I think its pretty obvious he was also abusive.
A ton of people assumed this was some kind of weird criminal-but-civil case where it was about proving or disproving abuse, rather than disputing allegedly-spurious accusations against Depp in a publication. Heard being found liable for defamation with regards to some specific claims made in a public article does not, in any way, mean that Depp did not abuse her, only that the abuse alleged in the publication specified was portrayed in a way that was, to some degree, knowingly false. Regardless of someone being abusive, legally speaking in the US, you can't lie about what they did in a public space to disparage them, even if they're a rotten person that deserves to be made a pariah.
If a hypothetical spouse of mine cheated on me and stole my money from my bank account before eloping, I can't disparage them by going to local media and claiming they, like, poisoned neighborhood dogs as a hobby. That's a pretty hyperbolic example, but hopefully that makes sense.
People, especially dipshits with axes to grind about MeToo and women in videogames, are not going to be interested in accepting that nuanced, but nonetheless critical distinction, and want to declare Depp innocent of all accusations of abuse, which is not at all what was determined in this case.
Yeah that's how PR astroturfing bullshit works - it gives people a vague sense of what "the truth" is without actually telling them any of the details. Notice that feminists you know have told you they're on his side without actually telling you anything meaningful about the case.
Like I said, I don't know what happened, and I don't care to know, either. But I know how to smell bullshit.
According to British courts he beat his spouse. I'm not a fan.
:trueanon: did a good episode on this (or maybe it was just a small part of another episode)
I hope no one here is on his side
Quite a shame in seeing it here. You haven't seen the ones where some users here were saying "Hunter is cool" and how its dudes rocking, despite being implicated in sex trafficking and openly racist.
Mostly just ignorance of anything beyond "cocaine man funny" that people say this
he beat the shit out of his wife on multiple occasions. though not everyone is willing to admit this, legally speaking that is objectively true and indisputable. but after he dragged his wife's name through the mud in an incredibly successful social media campaign he convinced a jury that even though the facts all point to him being abusive, it was still defamatory for her to say that. apparently it recently came out that he had tampered with evidence? i'm not really following this tbh, but that's my understanding.
amber heard also seems like she sucks, but way less than depp.
rich people suck and i dont like thinking about them :blob-no-thoughts:
A friend convinced me to watch a video compiling a bunch of silly shit that happened during the hearings. It was very funny but the thing I kept repeating while watching was "this should not be public." These are two humans who had a lot of issues to work through while in a relationship together, and got a whole lot of those issues thrown out into the open for everybody to comment on, judge, and in my case, laugh at. I could not possibly take any stance on them aside from "none of this is any of my business"
That was my biggest takeaway too, that those two need to be taken out of the public eye and separated from each other.
From what I understand, the judge of the case can decide that it is allowed to be filmed. But idk
We fuckin hate him. He's a wife-beater. Amber Heard doesn't have to be the perfect victim, she told the truth and was vilified for it.
Depp sucks much more:
https://twitter.com/cocainecross/status/1553506807766663169?s=20&t=MddsU5hbbgThPisRUPY_-w
He is abusive and dealing with a rich powerful man you both know can get away with abusing you would give you some very toxic coping mechanisms.
Also british liable law is wildly broken. Some holdover from chivalry and monarchy. If someone brings a lible claim gainst you it is by default assumed they are correct. And the standard of evidence to defend yourself is useually impossible to reach.
