• 7bicycles [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Also Horses and whatever drug-sniffing-animal they roll out for trials.

        • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          i'm not sure any coherent concept of abuse applies to insects like that.

          hope the pigs get stung a bunch

        • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          I can’t wait to stand in the inspection line to enter the grocery store, and have to go through a device covering me in bees after I go through the metal detector. Wtf kind of wickerman torture are they planning to subject on us with swarms of bees

        • 7bicycles [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah and the same as with pigs and whatever they're going for it's never going to come to fruition because turns out you can't subtly signal a bee that it should find something

          Pigs are another favourite and they've been "testing" both since I was a wee lad, but turns out all the cop science is just shit they make up anyways. It's a dog, train it half-way right and it'll intuitively listen to you because, you know, we've been breeding them to do exactly that for about ten thousand years.

          The whole idea of trusting any animal to supply probable cause is deeply, deeply fucked once you think about it but this goes especially for dogs which are basically genetically inclined to be friends

          • soft [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            haha "cop science" is definitely how I'm going to think of it from now on. dogs alert when you tell them to, fingerprints aren't remotely unique, DNA evidence is kind of sketchy, and lie detector tests are no better than dowsing

            When I was like 17 some cops came to my parents' house to inquire about a crime and they got me alone in my room to talk to teary-eyed me. "I'm really sorry, I didn't do anything and I don't know anything, please leave me alone!" The cop asked me if I would be willing to take a lie detector test, and I said "those aren't admissible right? cause you guys just make up the result?" guy stared at me blankly for several seconds and shrugged and said "we can still ask." never been a doubt in my mind since that day that cops know perfectly well how stacked their science is

            • Frank [he/him, he/him]
              hexagon
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              2 years ago

              Pretty much all of forensic "Science" is cop science. Even DNA analysis is sketchy as hell and they screw it up all the time.

        • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Those rats can sniff out disease too? I only knew about them sniffing out landmines

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It's virtually impossible to re-home them. Those poor dogs were turned into violent tools. That's why the cops put them down after they're done unless their handler offers to adopt them.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      And when their handler does adopt them they inevitably maul someone and get put down anyway.

    • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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      2 years ago

      A friend of mine runs an animal shelter, and he recently took one in. I dont know for sure what his plans are, but I don't think he ever plans on giving it to anyone else just because of the fact that it was used as a police dog. He's definitely doing his best to retrain it.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Dogs don't have moral agency. ACAB does include police dogs, but it's not their fault that they're trained the way they are.

    Not mentioned in the article: sniffer dogs are good at chasing runaway slaves, but them finding drugs is basically psuedoscience. Cops basically train them to give false positives so that they can have probable cause for searches.

    • KasDapital [any]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah it's ACAB but don't blame them for their own abuse.

    • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I’ve read before that dogs are so attached to their handlers and so good at reading human body language that a cop dog will be able to pick up if its racist handler is suspicious of someone, even subconsciously. So unfortunately racist cops means racist cop dogs which sit down next to minorities far more than crackas.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        Yup. It's been proven over and over again; Cop dogs will alert when the Cop wants them to, even if the Cop doesn't know he's doing anything to signal to them.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

        • commenter [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          come on, that doesn't mean the dog is racist. use your brain, don't agree with this shit

          fucking wikipedia, what is this reddit

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
            hexagon
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            2 years ago

            No, it means the dog reads it's handlers body language and alerts when it senses that the handler wants it to alert. They're not racist, they don't know why they're doing what they do, they're just playing a game that they enjoy and get rewarded for. They'll pick up on cues from their handler and do what they think their handler wants.

    • commenter [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      There are dogs that without a shitload of effort, are guaranteed to turn out "bad". What I mean is you can have an above average owner paired with a dog with an above average tendency toward fear aggression and then you end up with a bad owner I guess.

  • SadStruggle92 [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    While many police agencies say they use dogs only to capture people accused of violent crimes or when officers are in danger...

    One thing we gotta do when we establish "The Commune" is ensure that cops are flat-out never allowed to define for themselves when they are "in danger". Because they will say that they are always "in danger", so that they can use the maximal possible force in any given situation.

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      5 months ago

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  • commenter [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I believe some if not most police dogs could be rehabilitated or placed in an appropriate living situation. I don't feel the same way about cops.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I think if you had a very experienced handler, a fully fenced enclosure and kennel, and never ever let the dog out in public or around other people, you could. But police dogs are time bombs. They're going to go off and someone is going to get seriously, seriously injured.

  • OrionsMask [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Unpopular opinion: it's batshit "log the fuck off" takes like this that alienate people from our cause. No, I will not actually blame a fucking dog for being raised in an abusive manner, Jesus Christ.

  • literal_moron [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    controversial opinion but I don't like dogs or dog owners. Tired of seeing dog shit when I walk around my city. /r/dogfree represent.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      As much as I hate the whole "Heckin' good pupper can do no wrong" bullshit, I have to say that it's 100% the owner's fault for not picking up their dog's shit, or even letting them roam in the first place.

  • StolenStalin [comrade/them,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Yes but turning police dogs into regular dogs is so low effort that it doesn't make sense to shit on dogs.

    . Like just take the stupid vest off, don't be abusive shitheads to the animals and :shocked-pikachu: suddenly they just act like dogs