Survivable for whom, Matty? SURVIVABLE FOR WHOM?

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1556633968249901058

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Yep we are going to 2.5-3C at least which means everyone below 50th parallel gets to enjoy some fun time dealing with food shortages and mass migration. That includes all the US.

      And then 50/50 chance we are going to 3.5-4C which means we all die so realy "survivable" is wishful thinking.

      • Lymbic_System [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        I think in the 3.5c situation it will really just be organized states with social technologies to endure hardship but I have a feeling all the damage by 2.5 c will destroy a lot of countrys. Countrys like the usa won't make it due to lack of ability to organize coherent goals and having lived the last 2 centurys on what is essentialy story mode for the country.

        • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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          2 years ago

          Story mode as opposed to what? I can't think of a game with survival mechanics in it that also are not integrated into story, and arcade mode more accurately reflects a lot of what's going on. Resources are constant and you can do whatever.

          • Lymbic_System [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            My apologies I sorta just used story mode as catch all for north American abundance and general isolation that has carefully been maintained.

            • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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              2 years ago

              it occurred to me you probably meant story mode like in fighting games. I was only thinking of single player, my bad.

  • rubpoll [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Libs think they sound like the reasonable ones when they say "climate change won't cause the entire human race to go extinct, so there's no need to be hysterical about it."

    There's gotta be a word for Fascism done not out of overt malice but out of smug elitist indifference.

    ... oh there is, it's "Liberalism."

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Fascism done not out of overt malice but out of smug elitist indifference.

      The dems actually focus grouped "Fascism done out of smug elitist indifference," as a motto but they decided not to use it now.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    My brother in christ, capitalism requires infinite growth and yet we are not on an infinite planet.

    • newmou [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I think this is a good consolidated go-to for libs conversations, that at the end of the day, capitalism requires infinite growth with finite resources and that contradiction will ensure conflict, vs communism which requires environmental homeostasis and sustainable structures, which mitigates conflict (unless you're a capitalist lol)

        • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          “That’s why we have to get to space!”

          There aren't even infinite resources in space :agony-shivering: and it takes a fuckton of resources to acquire resources from extraterrestrial sources :agony-acid:

            • Awoo [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              there’s more than we would know what to do with anyway

              Pretty sure fuckers were saying this 70 years ago, also 50 years ago, also 20 years ago... About resources on Earth.

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            I recall someone did the math and pointed out that even without ftl we could drain the entire galaxy of resources in under a million years assuming constant growth.

        • Biggay [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Theyre emotionally and materially invested in it. Most libs are well off enough to sit in front of MSNBC for hours at a time.

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    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      Money isn't real, so "infinite growth" is achievable. If you can value bad digital art at $69M an image, you can grow your economy by 3%/year for as long as you want.

      The better question is what we're "growing" in an economy that seems more interested in "creative destruction" than building anything of lasting value. We can stack landfills on top of landfills forever and call it growth, just so long as the guys in charge of the landfills get to feel richer than they did last quarter.

  • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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    2 years ago

    a climate survivable for Pell Grant recipients that start a business that operates for three years in disadvantaged communities

  • Shoegazer [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Personally, I’d be satisfied if the world adopts a policy that executes Matt Yglesias and nothing else.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      It relies upon a belief that carbon emissions are the only force of climate change and those can be pushed down to zero through electric cars and solar power subsidies. And that's the whole plan.

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        • Ideology [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          I made a comment the last time the solar shield was brought up about how it would require more silicon than we currently have, lol.

    • rubpoll [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      His audience is equally delusional liberal ghouls who think they're rich enough to survive what is to come. They don't even imagine being inconvenienced by it. And anyone destroyed by climate change must have had a moral failing, so we don't have to worry about them.

  • mittens [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I think it's very positive and hopeful when even the most avid champions of capitalism consider that the best it can muster maybe is making conditions barely survivable

  • laziestflagellant [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    There's so much I want to say in response to that, ie 'Imagine saying with your whole chest you're willing to gamble everything on the Earth still being able to produce enough food to feed even just The West™️ after catastrophic climate change' also potential trophic collapse, failed states, necessary mass migration away from coasts, etc

    but I realize it's not worth it because this little shit is just farming rage clicks for the almighty algorithm and just wants people to get mad and it's working its fucking working I'm going to FOAM AT THE MOUTH AAAAAAUGHHGH AAAAAAA THIS IS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE LIKE HIM ACTUALLY BELIEVE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • save_vs_death [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      yeah, idiots like him think complex systems just get a bit worse proportionally with how hot it becomes but complex systems can just up and fucking collapse leading to everyone eating mondo shit

    • spectre [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Subsidizing overbuilt electric personal vehicles and residential solar panels is the forces of capitalism at work

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Apparently no EV currently on the market actually qualifies for the subsidies.

  • Blottergrass [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I remember a time before I read this post when Pol Pot's slaughter of "intellectuals" was such a bewildering thing to me.

    • UlyssesT
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      • blight [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        :same-picture:

        academic credentials mean shit in a neoclassical orthodoxy

    • AmericaDelendeEst [any]
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      2 years ago

      hey that's unfair he has more than 3 tools if you consider a peg board a tool

    • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      First: influence congress and both petit and big bourgeois to let in 500 million immigrants, change all communities into YIMBYs, influence a hopeless generation of young people into having 3 kids or more - have 1 billion Americans living the same lives they do now.

      Second: preserve capitalism and the environment by just hoping for technological development that will still let economies grow.

      Third tool: Matty G himself I guess.