I also want to highlight that next year, Canada is both considering extending this to people with exclusively mental health issues as well as "Mature minors".
Eugenics. This shit is sickening. Actually made me feel ill.
There is no way to implement this within a system with a profit motive
Hospitals love replacing patients with better paying patients already.
Past Me: Worrying about eugenics to make a case against assisted suicide is clearly just a bad faith argument. This isn't 1933, there are no nazi doctors just waiting for an opportunity to exterminate "undesirables" for purely economic reasons.
Canada:
You want your mind blown open, they're STILL forcibly sterilizing indigenous women. They always say, oh we fixed it it was just one hospital or bad policy, all good, but every couple of years someone new steps forward who had their ovaries scooped out because some dickhead nurse or social worker and doctor decided she wasn't fit to be a mother.
I can't believe the fascists in Communist China would do this to Cenk Uygur.
In one recording obtained by the AP, the hospital’s director of ethics told Foley that for him to remain in the hospital, it would cost “north of $1,500 a day.” Foley replied that mentioning fees felt like coercion and asked what plan there was for his long-term care.
Frazee cited the case of Candice Lewis, a 25-year-old woman who has cerebral palsy and spina bifida. Lewis’ mother, Sheila Elson, took her to an emergency room in Newfoundland five years ago. During her hospital stay, a doctor said Lewis was a candidate for euthanasia and that if her mother chose not to pursue it, that would be “selfish,” Elson told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
I am just astounded at these incidents in particular.
Working in the US's healthcare system I've seen similar levels of disregard for patient wellbeing. A man was unable to walk, it required me to essentially hold all his weight as he shuffled very unsteadily to a wheelchair. I almost got a back injury from a single transfer and it took like a week for it to feel normal. He had terminal cancer and it had spread into some nerve endings which made moving excruciatingly painful. To top it all off he worked for the hospital for like 20+ years. When they wanted the bed open, they were going to send him home to an unsafe environment where his family couldn't properly care for him.
I've also had to discharge a homeless man back onto the street because the hospital didn't want to wait a day or two to make sure they could find a safe hotel for him to stay at for like a week post-discharge. They view it as the system failing him, but they're not part of that system so they can sleep at night.
You have incidents where a TB exposure happens in a shared room and they conclude that the roommate didn't need to be informed. At least two patient deaths occurred on the unit I worked on that were as a result of pure neglect. One man fell out of bed and nobody checked on him throughout the entire night shift so when they were doing rounds they found him out of bed and dead. Nurse got no real punishment after that. Then you had an ICU nurse not check a patient the entire night and tried to draw blood out of a dead man and couldn't figure out that he was dead until someone else came into the room.
Mistakes happen, but hospitals care more about their bottom line and open beds, if the US had this sort of euthanasia program it would most certainly be abused to an even worse degree.
If the US had an euthanasia program it would be the only free healthcare you could get in this damn country. :amerikkka:
If I've understood the Foley case in particular, the reason they are charging him 1,500 a day is because he says that his previous government issued long term care plan ended up with him getting food poisoned and injuries from the care provided at home, and they refuse to grant him any agency over his own care, therefore he is refusing to leave the hospital. So you dont exactly seem to get a freedom to choose when it comes to how you'll live with fatal conditions.
I posted this earlier in struggle session bc I’m sure there are some arguments / edge case scenarios to justify this, and euthanasia is such a loaded topic to being with, but the way they’re administering it seems pretty grim
I think I'm all for Jack Kevorkian style euthenasia existing in some form. but it should exist with 0 possiblity for it to be suggested to a patient as an option. there was an HBO biopic starring Al Pacino that made Kevorkian seem like a genuine hero for his advocacy. terminal patients have been killing themselves since the dawn of time and a humane society would allow for them to do it painlessly.
Like most things, it’s not going to happen under capitalism without major caveats. Those caveats being how much money you have in the bank
Ah shit, I'd missed that you'd posted there.
Yeah, theres arguments that can be had about this but I'd certainly hope that anyone arguing about it in good faith would see that theres openings for severe abuse and those openings have already been abused by institutions. Though most of the responses about this I saw on the bird site sorta just endlessly repeated some variation of "well its their freedom to choose".
No I’m glad to see some discussion bc I would like to hear what people have to say about it, I have never been in / known someone who experienced such profound pain that that would be on the table, but obviously there should be more transparency and less room for abuse asap
A friend's uncle had terminal stomach cancer and went through this process a few years ago. He was in extreme pain, couldn't eat, and was going to die anyway so it was definitely understandable in that case.
people should be allowed to kill ourselves but we should make that decision in a context where our needs are otherwise met, not with the threat of destitution.
so as others have said, not happening with capitalism.
I'm scared of this shitty country. We have the most permissive "assisted death" program criteria in the world, as well as probably the worst social safety net (after the United Snakes, of course)
But technically they had a choice, so neoliberalism says it's ok
Canada prides itself on being liberal and accepting, said David Jones, director of the Anscombe Bioethics Centre in Britain, “but what’s happening with euthanasia suggests there may be a darker side.”
Yes, genocide land is the most liberal and accepting, its shocking to find this dark side!
In all honesty, I could see America doing this by adding firing ranges with separate booths and rental gun with a single bullet sales.
I guess the framework for burgerland getting those futurama suicide booths already exists. Wonder how they’d shut it down if somebody made one as performance art or something.
people already do this without adding anything
Suicides at Shooting Ranges
https://econtent.hogrefe.com/doi/full/10.1027/0227-5910/a00067688% of decedents arrived alone
86% of guns were rented from the range
an estimated 37 suicides at shooting ranges per year nationally
40% were college graduates or held an advanced degree
62% of the decedents were noted as having had a behavioral health issue including mental illness, substance abuse problem, or previous suicidal thoughts or attempts
in the US, many range masters will have experienced one or will know a colleague who has
That’s a good article, thanks for sharing it and the info.
Ngl, 37 seems low. I guess buying a gun and choosing venue isn’t enough of an added barrier. Makes sense since the more secure the person was based on demographics the less likely to do in the range.
The requiring a second person rule seems like a viable Bandaid.
Kinda scary tbh
Euthanasia “cannot be a default for Canada’s failure to fulfill its human rights obligations,” said Marie-Claude Landry, the head of its Human Rights Commission.
Totally normal thing to have to debate in a functional and good society
or we could provide for people and make their lives livable. :kkkanada:
Every ghoul who supports this should be forced to pay the medical bills of people being offered this, as well as supplying additional aid to people with disabilities or mental health issues. I want every last one of them bankrupted if they think it's cool to make someone else kill themselves.
