lemmy.ml is terribly moderated - how and where do you settle this?

I'm not quite sure how I best encourage this discussion - so I'll ask this here. I am somewhat shocked, how /c/worldnews@lemmy.ml is moderated. Large parts of the instance are in my view in tankie-territory like lemmygrad or hexbear, so much so that I find it borderline unaccaptable.

I question myself, how something like this could have consequences. Feddit has blocked both lemmygrad as well as Hexbear, lemmy.ml is several times larger and in many parts not problematic. Would that instance be blocked users would be unable to access a lot of content.

I ask myself, how do you settle this in the Fediverse, especially when it comes to larger instances. If the admins on feddit find the mods on lemmy.ml problematic, which avenues could they pursue to pressure them without defederating.

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Other titles I thought about:

Feddit.de not beating the nazi instance allegations

Lemmy.ml welcome to the resistance

Also the incident that caused this very reasonable and very normal fedditor to get not mad at all

  • Zrc [she/her]
    hexbear
    79
    3 months ago

    shoutout to feddit.de for once again proving that g*rmans shouldn't exist 07

  • happybadger [he/him]
    hexbear
    71
    3 months ago

    One condition of ending WW2 should have been the legal right to slap any German in the mouth if they set off a hitler-detector . Rallying the volk against the communist outsiders to defend another genocide? That's a slappin'. They get free speech like a dog that bites gets to walk with a muzzle until they prove they're safe again.

    • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
      hexbear
      28
      3 months ago

      Rallying the volk against the communist outsiders to defend another genocide?

      More than a slappin' xi-gun-1 xi-gun-2

  • AutomatedPossum [she/her]
    hexbear
    70
    edit-2
    3 months ago

    The feddit.de thread on this is, as usual for that cursed instance, fucking gross, has a user named luxuslurch@feddit.de who pulls off shit like calling Jews antisemites for being against zionism, misgenders a user in the process, then calls the user whiny when being called out for the transphobia, then doubles down on that in the most ridiculous, privileged, ignorant manner possible. Hardcore transphobic brainworms at play there, that human dog turd outright refuses to use they / them pronouns in any context.

    I'm not gonna make a feddit account to bully this fascist piece of shit, but if anybody has one, please report this fuckhead for repeated transphobia.

    • notceps [he/him]
      hexagon
      hexbear
      45
      3 months ago

      Yeah its an incredibly bad instance but most of it is just shitty bad and I just thought this was more funny bad because guy getting banned to then 4 hours later go and make a post about defeding is funny. As for the transphobia I wouldn't be surprised if the admins there will just hand wring about freedom of speech and shit like that.

      • davel [he/him]
        hexbear
        33
        3 months ago

        guy getting banned to then 4 hours later go and make a post about defeding

        Many such cases, though usually it’s under an hour later.

        • notceps [he/him]
          hexagon
          hexbear
          16
          3 months ago

          kitty-birthday-sad response time on the fediverse getting worse and worse, truly tis the end of everything.

        • TheDoctor [they/them]
          hexbear
          8
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          Imagine malding for longer than 10 seconds about anything on the Fediverse. People act like it’s valid for the sake of critique but I’ve never seen a critique of the platform made better by barely masked rage.

      • AutomatedPossum [she/her]
        hexbear
        30
        3 months ago

        Didn't know it's that bad there, given the content posted i had assumed they're at least radlibs. Granted, that doesn't mean much when both the antideutsche and anti-imperialist left in Germany have an entire wing of outspoken transphobes.

        • notceps [he/him]
          hexagon
          hexbear
          31
          3 months ago

          I've posted some of their threads in the past and they are just not alright, one standout one was when Yemen imposed a blockade a ton of people fell over themselves to say how much disgusted they are because now the west will just have to blow up brown people, or when that UNHRW was happening and they just had to say that 'of course Hamas has completely undermined that organisation we shouldn't give them any money at all this all makes perfect sense' like there's a reason that AfD (the most fascist party) is polling at 20%+ and feddit.de is just proof of it.

    • mathemachristian [he/him]
      hexbear
      37
      3 months ago

      Im taking a break from feddit, a couple weeks ago my comment calling luxuslurch a fascist got deleted for being uncivil

  • edge [he/him]
    hexbear
    61
    3 months ago

    German

    banned for antisemitism

    complains about tankies so I doubt he said something pro-Palestine

    thonk

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
    hexbear
    61
    3 months ago

    I find it borderline unaccaptable.

    ah fuck the mods forgot to ask this guy if their moderation was acceptable to him

    • TheDoctor [they/them]
      hexbear
      14
      3 months ago

      I vote to remove this comment. All votes must be unanimous (no downvotes). All in favor?

      See, moderation via democracy is not that hard. Worked for Elon.

  • @ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml
    hexbear
    60
    edit-2
    3 months ago

    Show not mad
    We should do something about these tankie guys, I'm not saying this because I'm mad that they won't let me be a bigot btw.

    • Infamousblt [any]
      hexbear
      43
      3 months ago

      Tankies are taking away my Right To Free (hate) Speech Online! We should take away their right to speak too, only I am allowed to have opinions!

      • TheDoctor [they/them]
        hexbear
        12
        3 months ago

        Won’t somebody think of the poor fascists and their right to a printing press?

  • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
    hexbear
    46
    3 months ago

    the whole of west germany should've been thrown in the gulag after the DDR took over, alas, we continue living in our doomed world that we have created kiryu-dame-da-ne

    • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexbear
      11
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      Nah, just whack enough of their Nazi army corps to reach 6 million (it won't take much more than a million since their military deaths were 5,533,000) in the past and then you would've denazified the damned country....

  • Pisha [she/her, they/them]
    hexbear
    44
    3 months ago

    Someone needs to do a socio-linguistic study on Internet German, because it's the most grating way of writing I can imagine. It sounds like someone talking to a bureaucrat, a police officer and their close friends all at the same time. It's a policy paper crossed with a teenager. "Should the instance be blocked, users would lose access to a great amount of content. And I'm just wondering to myself, how can you solve issues like that?" How can anyone, let alone a whole country, stand this style of text?

    • mathemachristian [he/him]
      hexbear
      38
      3 months ago

      Redditor germans have terminal debatebro. They are unable to engage with anything at face value, to them everything is an abstract talking point.

      • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
        hexbear
        28
        3 months ago

        When your past and present is that fucked, you'd want to deal entirely in the abstract too.

        (Takes one to know one ukkk )

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
      hexbear
      20
      3 months ago

      I think it's the natural expression of anglophone debatebro culture in a language with a more clearly-defined formal register, but I only know a little German so idk

    • @REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml
      hexbear
      5
      3 months ago

      How can anyone, let alone a whole country, stand this style of text?

      We don't, dunking on each other for minor differences and shit like that is our tradition.

  • loathesome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
    hexbear
    38
    edit-2
    3 months ago

    I am confused as to why they are even bothered about this. Aren't there already instanxes like .world and lemm.ee which alongside being pretty big are cracker safe spaces as well? lemmy.ml has even stopped accepting registrations a while ago.

  • flan [they/them]
    hexbear
    34
    3 months ago

    redditors dont know how the internet works do they