"Mad God" is just the latest version of this. No, it isn't artistic to show abject horror and depressing sadness on screen. People are just getting off from sadism and adrenaline and claiming it's some transcendent experience.
I'm not going to judge anyone who enjoys movies like it, because I can see the appeal, but if I see another critic say another piece of edgy garbage is actually an artistic masterpiece I'm going to tear my brain out through my earhole.
I'm not going to judge anyone who enjoys movies like it
No, it isn’t artistic to show abject horror and depressing sadness on screen. People are just getting off from sadism and adrenaline and claiming it’s some transcendent experience.
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not to be that bitch but googling it and just looking at stills that looks incredibly technically impressive for Stop Motion
you're allowed to just not like things that are good
It is, but thats because it was made by a talented vfx veteran. It also happens to be incoherent and needlessly grotesque. It could have been awesome if it had an actual story, but it didn't. So that great stop motion feels wasted and the viewer is desperate to piece together some horrific scenes (such as a crying hair lump monster baby that cries for 3 minutes straight) in a search for meaning. It's really clear that the director has never directed before and that he belongs in vfx not feature filmmaking.
yeah, but taking something that Looks Like That and saying "it's shit because the narrative isn't constructed satisfyingly" isn't exactly riveting artistic critique either.
also OP's problem doesn't appear to be with narrative construction but with general violence/gore/darkness which is silly as hell to me
finding gore distressing to watch isn't silly and is a perfectly reasonable opinion implying people only watch horror movies because they are sadists is a bit of an unwaranted personal attack on fans of the movie however
Wuh oh, you've summmoned the Treat Defender Brigade, here to defend their precious gore-splattered treats! :so-true: :soypoint-2:
Go ahead, enjoy it! No problem! :stalin-approval:
It's just incredibly funny that this person made a post where they said they disliked a thing and that "its fine if you like it" and then a bunch of people came rushing to tell them why their subjective opinion was objectively wrong
They said they wouldn't judge you for enjoying it but they did also make some objective statements about how "it isn’t artistic to show abject horror and depressing sadness on screen" and "people are just getting off from sadism and adrenaline and claiming it’s some transcendent experience." I don't think it makes you a dumb treat defender to defend a piece of art you like when someone else is calling it literal garbage.
"Horror movies are garbage and if you enjoy them you're just getting off from sadism and adrenaline."
"I disagree."
"Oh wow the treat defenders are here." :so-true:
Uh oh the "enjoying literally aspect of media means you love your treats!" Dorks are here
Lol its a dumb statement anyway.
"No, it isn’t artistic to show abject horror and depressing sadness on screen"
This is such a wild statement lol I dont even know how to approach it. If someone said that there is no way that a positive movie could be artistic, then yeah i would say the same thing lol. I understand not enjoying a vibe or whatever but claiming that something you dont enjoy isnt artistic because you decided so is extremely wild.
"So is accusing someone who admitted their subjective preferences to be broad-brushed into “needing Disney positivity all the time.”
Sure, but why would i engage in a real talk about it if they cant even consider anything dark or depressing as real art? Just posting some hyperbolic shit to a very hyperbolic post
Lol yeah you arent being weirdly hostile by posting about how im the treat defender brigade to other posts lol dont act like you arent also aggressive all the time
People are just getting off from sadism
isn't this a personal attack?
chat shit get hit :shrug-outta-hecks:
I think it's funny how like 80% of the comments came in trying to fight against the argument that horror and gore is inherently not art, when the OP is almost certainly trying to argue that horror and gore is not inherently art.
The second argument is something that is an actual problem. Grimdark media is misery porn. Suffering for the sake of suffering, and there is a legitimate discussion to be had over whether that should be considered sufficient artistic merit of its own accord to have a place in society. You can make art that uses these elements to say something, but is creating suffering purely for the sake of suffering in and of itself art?
“Is creating suffering purely for the sake of suffering in and of itself art?”
Yeah, because it’s not real suffering. Saying ‘life is shitty and pointless and what am I doing here’ is a timeless question, from Job to Lear to Hemmingway.
Obviously don’t actually torture people, but art doesn’t necessarily need to defend itself.
I started to watch mad god because I love claymation but I got like 45 mins in and it felt like a snuff film without a plot. I like slower movies and the lack of dialogue didn't bother me but it quickly felt like the violence and gore was just pointless. Don't have anything against movies like that in principle but it didn't do anything for me at all.
edit: a lot of people seem to think the criticism of this movie is prudish or scolding but uh... no. I love Berserk, which is definitely known for over the top violence... however there is a point to the violence. Huge difference.
Here’s my idea: a movie where it’s just one person murdering someone else over and over again with no transitions, titles, or explanations. No music. No sound. But what will make us lots of money is if it includes scenes of every identity murdering another identity (like black killing white, woman killing man, etc etc) so that each of those can be clipped into gifs, which will get young people talking about the movie and how it’s “the creepiest movie ever made” and then lots of kids with money will want to check it out and it will make us some money to fund this clapboard house ass website.
Who’s in?
spoiler
:fedposting: oh I’m totally in. Let’s make this “movie” and then arrest you and throw you in the loony bin forever without the movie ever getting released and just by showing the clips to the fine up-standing ci-ti-zennnns of the juwrrrry. Soowwwweeeeeeeee :hog-posting:
You did it wrong. It is a giant music video. There is no real point. I went to a hipster theater where everyone was some kinda high and the showing was wild. There was like four jock guys confused and freaking out. It was a great time
I didn't care for the movie but this does sound fun. Probably more impressive on the big screen in general.
Just in general it actually kinda based. Strong clear anti war mesage, positive depiction of female masturbation, plus the animation was fun and it was nice to see some master class mixed media stop motion.
The visuals were so impressive I really wanted to like it. I think just even a little more plot or point would have sealed the deal for me idk. I think you're right that this probably wasn't meant to be watched by yourself in a dark room.
In one of my other lives, I would have remade Come and See, so we're probably not vibing.
I don't think OP is saying all gory media is bad, I think they're specifically referring to stuff that uses gore and misery for cheap shock value without any kind of underlyingartistic statement.
watched that movie last night, fantastic film. unrelenting
Watched that movie a few months ago for the first time, unbelievable banger.
I don't even know what grimdark means anymore. The term was first coined for Warhammer 40,000, which most certainly has a story, even if it primarily focuses on one side, and some people who write it, but not everyone, seem to like cruelty for the sake of cruelty. But I've also seen it used to describe a Song of Ice and Fire, which contains detailed descriptions of all sides of the story. And now this. I don't even know what grimdark means anymore.
I don’t even know what grimdark means anymore
"thing i dont like" if youre a leftist
do you think horror movies need to stop being made? or just specific films that go too far?
actually, need is the wrong word, you aren't saying they should be arrested or anything, i'm just curious where you draw the line re: too grimdark. is the thing (1982) too grimdark? the godfather? what about something like akira?
I do think there should be rules about advertising them as in a limit on the amount of gore or distressing content you can show to people who didn't sign up to watch a horror movie.
Once as a kid I was staying up late watching cartoons and a really disturbing ad for a horror movie came on and frankly that ruined my evening
i am certainly pro content warning, and i do think there should be some rules about the trailer. that's fair
Idk I guess my question is how much of an issue this actually is rn, I though the current issue was everything is marvelbrained quippery with no stakes.
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