https://nitter.net/cagoldberglaw/status/1578121292502409216?t=vqbsnvkUgxz8BWUAzXGYuw&s=19
I read that whole thread earlier and it's sofucked up. One of the parents tried to cancel the order because they didn't recognize it, and Amazon confirmed the cancellation but sent it anyway. And the CBS producers repeated saying they were going to air the segment, even talking with family members, until almost the last minute and then just saying "sowwy but the higher ups don't like it :(". And the whole suggested products to make the suicide complete, a scale to measure out the dose, and even briefly suggesting the antidote too. Just incredibly sickening shit and it's wild that Amazon has previously quit selling things that can be used as recreational drugs but have no problem selling literal poison after multiple deaths. I hope they all burn in hell
I can see CBS not deciding to air a segment on it not out of cowardice but because in the absence of some sort of law enforcement preventing its sale they're just advertising a suicide method to millions by talking about it, which could directly lead to more deaths
Which of course begs the question they will never ask "why are there so many people who we think would do it?"
Amazon’s lawyers from Perkins told us Amazon would continue to sell SN because they can’t be held liable if somebody uses one of their products for suicide.
Openly admitting to selling these with the knowledge that kids are killing themselves with them. Fuck Amazon and fuck those cowards at CBS, toying with grieving parents like that.
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Oh neat, didn't know they sold it at that purity, when I read about it as a suicide method a couple months ago I was directed towards the curing salt and told that it'd be agonizing and you might not even die because you need a good dose.
You could argue that signal boosting this could lead to a ton more people using it as an out because even after actually looking into it I hadn't realized there were more pure forms on Amazon because I ran into the curing salt being kinda hit or miss information before going much further.
Amazon is fucking awful, it honestly sounds like their algo picked up a bunch of stuff and ran with it leading to a macabre suicide kit bundle being created, Though it seems like they've since doubled down on it after being made aware of it which isn't surprising in the slightest. After a bit of looking around on Amazon though, I couldn't find anything resembling what the tweets describe and it's just something that people use in reef tanks or in gold refining.
Algorithms are a masterful triumph of diffusion of responsibility. They can just say with a straight face that it's not their fault because the algorithm did it.
Why do some people drink bleach, slit their wrists, etc instead of something more instant like using a gun? People who are commiting suicide are not in the most healthy mental state
I'm just speaking from my experience of having contemplated suicide methods here. Maybe other people have different thought process, idk I'm not them
It also might be a subconscious thing where if you use slower methods there's still some slim chance someone might walk in on you and save you, compared with the instant death of a gun or something like that.
at the risk of making a comment that might be removed by mods for being a bit too far into the "darkness"
Painful death is one thing, but a violent death leaving a very gruesome scene for family, friends, etc to find might not be what a person wants.
Why pick this method of all methods?
I think a lot of people use whatever they can get that they think will be reliable.
yeah but i'm with space_wizard
something you’ve got to already research to use and that research tells you it’s going to be awful.
The antidote is the rapid use of methylene blue.
If anyone runs in to this in the wild, this article claims that the antidote is methylene blue.
https://neurosciencenews.com/sodium-nitrate-suicide-21065/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylene_blue#Methemoglobinemia
Sounds like it's not something you can self administer, but knowing what to do might help the EMTs and the hospital.
A family member of a friend did exactly this recently, after reading a suicide forum that praised it as a (comparatively) painless method with minimal cleanup. From what my friend has told me, after all their post-mortem research, it's the method those sorts of sites are heavily recommending these days, even though there's something like four hours in between taking the poison and death.
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I've never heard of sodium nitrate being lethal before, and I'm not even sure I understand how it could be. Can anyone explain the mechanism of action?
98% sodium nitrate, which basically has no use outside of the lab, can kill. The kind used for curing meats is only about 8% pure. MAYBE it could theoretically kill you if you ingested a ridiculous amount, but at that amount, you're more likely to die of something else with how much it would take.
sodium nitrate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_nitrite#Toxicity
Apparently it's sodium nitrite? The article doesn't talk about the method of action though.
https://neurosciencenews.com/sodium-nitrate-suicide-21065/
I found this article that explains the method of action. Apparently it prevents your blood from carrying oxygen leading to hypoxia and death.
It's weird to here complaints about this from Canada, given that the government just expanded MAID as part of operation Kill Kill Kill Kill Kill the Poor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methemoglobinemia
Okay so it sounds like what it actually does is convert the iron in your blood from Fe2 to Fe3, and that prevents oxygen from binding to the iron or something so you basically suffocate. Doesn't sound like a particularly painless way to go.
Yeah suffocating to death while still breathing sounds like a living nightmare
I'm not sure that's accurate (but I haven't researched). The suffocation response is induced by increased CO2 levels in the blood, not really by a lack of oxygen. Hypoxia from altitude or breathing Helium are relatively pleasant ways to go from my understanding. It seems like this would be similar to breathing pure helium but like I said I've done 0 research.
The suffocation response is induced by increased CO2 levels in the blood, not really by a lack of oxygen
Yeah your body doesn't have the ability to detect oxygen levels, your breathing response is regulated by detecting co2 instead
I really don’t think this site should be giving out suicide instructions
This isn't a discussion of suicide instructions - that would be a question of dosage and administration. This is a question about physiology.
I didn’t want to know the exact physiology of this compound as I frequently have suicidal ideation.
was there a cw on the post when you clicked it?
i got nothing but sympathy and understanding for everyone and wouldn't blame anyone for their suffering, but this might be the only time that tyler post is accurate.
I suspect that Amazon is refusing to stop selling suicide drugs because if they stopped, that would be an admission they did something wrong; in other words, an admission of guilt. And then they'd be admitting they're liable. So they just double down and more people die. Absolutely evil.
it's fucked up people in the twitter comments are getting bent out of shit about amazon selling the item as opposed to the algorithm literally recommending a book about committing suicide and a dosing scale along with it.
:clippy: "It looks like youre trying to kill yourself, would you like to use one of our helpful templates?
If you read the thread you'd know that many of them immediately regretted it and asked their parents for help and then died in front of EMTs because the bottle had no treatment info and they had to call poison control to find out how to treat it, which was too slow.
Ah couldn’t be bothered to read it all. They should Ban me honestly I post bad takes
The world is ending. I’m at the point where I don’t blame anyone for trying to take their own life :shrug-outta-hecks: I’m at the point where I think about suicide almost all the time
I mean is he wrong though? Shit's totally fucked, and it's not going to get better. Global warming, resurgent fascism, war with China and Russia, constantly falling standards of living so dire no one can even afford to have children? I don't blame anyone who chooses to just skip all this shit, and I totally understand why kids would make that decision. They're going to have it much, much worse than I will.
It is going to get better. The question is just how bad it will get before things improve, but they will. We are on the verge of societal collapse, and things will really suck for a while, but people are pretending like that's where it ends. It doesn't.
Empires have collapsed before, entire civilizations have ended. The Black Plague has killed like a third of Europe's population at one point, China has been through famines that killed 9-digit-amounts of people.
But none of that has ever been "the end". The end of the Western hegemony and our current style of life will undoubtedly be the end for some, maybe even a lot of people, but eventually things will improve. It won't be the same it is now, but it's not like humanity will just be over.
It is going to get better.
It really is not. I get that people want to be optimistic and hopeful, but this isn't the century for that. We're going to see hundreds of millions dead in the next fifty years from global warming and the resulting breakdown of society. And then for the next 2,000 years, minimum, huge parts of the earth are going to be uninhabitable by humans.
This is just doomerism. You can't possibly predict what's going to happen over the next 5, let alone 50 years.
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Buddy do you even IPCC reports? We know exactly what's going to happen. A huge band of the earth near the equator is going to be too hot for humans to survive and too hot to sustain agriculture. Hundreds of millions of people live in that band. They're all going to have to flee or die. Hundreds of millions of refugees will lead to a snowball collapse of nations all across the globe. Most countries will already be dealing with food stress due to global warming altering climates and rendering large areas unsuitable for agriculture when they get slammed with millions and millions of refugees. It's going to cause a breakdown of civilization on a planetary scale. There is no precedent for this in human history. Nothing like this has ever happened before. it's going to be a century of horror undreamt of.
Oh and this is without mentioning ocean acidification rendering the oceans unable to support life, or the massive die off of biodiversity in the course of the sixth great extinction. And this is just the stuff we can predict. Throw in a nuclear war, or a couple of pandemics, or the collapse of the rubber industry, or or or or or or. It's all bad. Nothing good is coming. There are no solutions anymore. This is what is going to happen because climate change is irreversible at this point, and there's no reason to believe greenhouse gas emissions will be stopped or even meaningfully curtailed at any point in the near future.
I get it, ignorance is bliss. But if you don't want to deal with reality keep it to yourself.
When you're rationalizing child suicides it's really time to log off my guy
This is a great comment and deserves its own post.
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I get what you're saying but I don't think anyone here blames the kids. I'd wager most of us have struggled with suicidal impulses. Some of us probably wouldn't be here if we'd had an algorithm recommending us milligram scales and antiemetics alongside suicide drugs.
This is one of the most fucked up things I think I have ever read :what-the-hell:
