Heres a twitter thread if you want to see a bunch of nazis and liberals holding hands https://twitter.com/Luxemburglar/status/1582482702129049601?s=20&t=r4N17n4261GdnXIRs6JxPQ
Honestly he's not even a liberal if he thinks the only thing wrong with Nazis are their Holocaust takes
Yeah, given the amount of creepy shit he's admitted to doing I'm genuinely becoming "Vaush is being blackmailed by the authorities to spread propaganda" pilled. Not to say he was good in the first couple of years of his channel, just that he very rapidly shifted from generic Bernie supporter content to stanning Biden super hard to having literal CIA agents on his podcast and constantly going on about how awesome and leftist supposedly NATO are and how they should essentially control the world.
Almost definitely on someone's payroll, at least.
He had actual CIA agents on his podcast? I knew he was deepthroating the US states boot but I didn't know he was that open about it.
Technically it was a "former" CIA officer I think but you have to wonder if being in the CIA is more of a 'for life' kinda deal, at least when it comes to talking about the agency on a podcast.
Not true, they have a whole wall filled with stars devoted to them
There is one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1tfkESPVY
cancellation is real but it only works on nobodies. randos without clout who aren't able to satisfactorily defend themselves in the court of public opinion become pariahs in the company of "good people," and pieces of shit with rabid followings either ride the wave of the forum warring or lay low for a few months until it's safe to come back, depending on how much the accusations contradict their public image. voosh has cultivated a public image of being "controversial," so his fans will accept anything he says as just saying hard truths (short of criticizing a Democratic administration's foreign policy).
Made a small effortpost about this on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/chapo_chat/status/1583163442005147649
Viewing Haz as a reactionary with ML aesthetic and Vaush as a reactionary with anarchist aesthetic, is a good take. I think the important thing is to not fixate on these reactionary figures too much. You can dunk on them a little as a treat. Vaush and Haz are mostly irrelevant. Even neolib Destiny has a much larger than both of them.
However, the Left does need figureheads. Most people spend a lot of time on social media and that is a good way to promote Leftism, with less discourse. "Just go outside and organize your community" is something that someone who never goes outside would say. The truth is that most communities outside of the internet are deeply reactionary.
Being a reactionary is the default position in many communities. Even the most uninvolved people in the community are going to actively work against Leftist organizing efforts. Popular opinions have to be changed for community organizing to even be possible. Leftist propagandists are extremely important, even online ones.
the Left does need figureheads
:hasan-ok-dude: but also :the-deprogram:
the deprogram needs to invite hasan on, it would be fucking amazing
I don't know exactly. I try to avoid either of them. At a quick glance, Destiny only has like 25% more subscribers than Vaush, but Destiny's videos have way more views than Vaush's videos. Destiny dominates the reddit online drama subreddit, LSF. I see Destiny's community brigading other communities pretty frequently.
As far as I know Destiny is much, much bigger than Vaush, but I don't care enough to look in to it.
“Just go outside and organize your community” is something that someone who never goes outside would say. The truth is that most communities outside of the internet are deeply reactionary.
My point isn’t that the general populace is somehow less reactionary than Vaush. My point here is that, en masse, social media in general and these political brands that it develops in particular create a strong bias towards not organizing. Acting like these things are a giant deal is a big part of the problem, which I think you agree with if I’m understanding you.
But I don’t understand what the quoted bit there means. Like, it’s too difficult so no one who’s tried it would encourage it? Organizing is boring, thankless, and rarely productive long-term. It’s also our only tool and it needs to be done.
The quote was a response to the sentiment that online Leftist figures are useless. I'm not certain that it is a sentiment that you have but I have seen other people on hexbear express this. The quote is meant to mean that organizing is hard because most people are reactionary but if normal people can be influenced through social media, then organizing can be made easier.
Vaush and Haz are reactionaries, which is why I think they should be ignored. It is correct to to say that they don't encourage organizing because they are reactionary.
On the other hand, we have online leftist figures, like Chapo and Hasan, that do promote organizing and have actually caused people to organize their workplaces and communities.
Normal people are more often reactionary because it is the default position, due to decades of brainwashing. Normal people spend a lot of time on social media. Social media is part of normal life now. If there are positive figures on social media promoting Leftist ideas, then normal people would hopefully absorb some of those Leftist ideas.
Organizing is important. Organizing is more important than online Leftist figures. Organizing is hard and organizing people who have reactionary beliefs is even harder. If normal people are less reactionary, then they are easier to organize.
Having Leftist figures on social media that promote Leftism in a positive way, with minimal discourse, should make organizing easier.
the Left does need figureheads
The Citations Needed guys, Liz Franzck, and that based Irish dude who calls out the EU parliament all the time.
wish he would just hurry up and declare himself a fascist already
Azov gets special privileges from "decent American liberals" because theyre fighting the real big bad guy: Russia.
Just like how the avengers worked with Loki to take down Thandos :so-true:
Not to be too bazinga brained but that seems a tad unfair to Loki, I'm pretty sure most of the people he killed were cops
Morality wise I'd peg him more as :dorner: than azov
Hey in Avengers 1 he goes to germany and does a hitler speech thing so hes pretty problematic
Alright I forgot about that, admittedly problematic and cringe
God of Mischief? More like, God what a miss chief. Do better next time Laufeysson
Been expecting his "Why I left the Left" video for about a year now.
It's funny how often the real reason is "I was never on the left and the charade is too much effort"
all the bullshit liberals like V*ush keep spewing is literally nazi propaganda from the 1930s.
Rosa Luxembourg died to prove this point but libs don't know who the fuck she was.
So, is that him admitting he is not a leftist or him admitting we should not trust him on foreign policy? I'm mean both are true so...
"deniers usually delusional about a very specific cluster of things."
:doubt:
ugh. I try to remember his influence is pretty negligible in real life, but god this douche makes online leftism 100% more obnoxious.
I gave Keffals some shit a while ago over her Cuba takes, but I can admit that she's done some good in her crusade against KF. The same can't really be said for Vaush. He just lets people think they're left-wing because they watch him and Destiny. "They're on the left and they say....."
"I'm as left as they come, but there's still a logical case for murdering all the [insert any non middle class, bearded, westoid, dipshit group]."
"There would be less incels if people were less transphobic. There’s a lot of straight trans women out there eager to ride some dick and you are all just sleeping on that"
-Keffals
i've died on this hill over and over cuz this fucking rock keeps crushing me every time i roll it up to the top but--
this is so so so obviously bait. this is calculated to get people to put his face on everyone's timeline. this guy has a plan for advancing his career, and you are part of it.
Id agree if i had linked his actual account or his stream for people to watch him directly but calling him out with a picture and a twitter thread is hardly driving him more engagement.
The name of the game with internet clout is engagement. Yes awareness is apart of the equation but everyone here already knows who v*ush is so I'm hardly doing anything on that front.
You could just not push it you know. No one is forcing you to engage with my post.
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