https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania

  • wenox [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    i thought they were "conquered" and now only remain as a turist attraction though as per the capitalist custom

    • NarcissistLeninist [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Visited a friend there in 2017 and she said about as much. Checked it out and it was uninspiring, to say the least. And shitty weed, too.

    • duck [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah it says at the bottom that Danish law is now enforced, I bet there's still the culture and weed smoking but I found a few articles about mass arrests and seizing of weed from the last couple years.

  • Vattier [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Lmao, the politicians comments.

    is a political priority that there be built new houses as suggested, to ensure a development of the Christiania-area with varied ownership-models.

    It's a question of principle, whether a group of people should be allowed to occupy a large part of government property in central Copenhagen. There's no question that what they've been doing is illegal ... they seized government property and have been living on it and that's worth a lot of money now.

    Christiania is a dwelling for people who wish to live in a different manner ... But it is crucial that varied ownership-models are introduced, so that there will be both private and partially owned houses.

    (Christiania's) demand that there be a collective fund is not fair, It doesn't meet the wish for a normalization. We (the government) have emphasized that there should be varied ownership-models, such as private ownership ... it is natural that there are also privately owned buildings in an area like Christiania ... Because it is the case for the surrounding society in general, that there are variety in the ownership.

    Yeah, I'm sure what they need is mOrE VaRieTy iN oWneRsHiP :mao-shining:

    But they seem to have ceded control and the government is now "developing the area for businesses"? I've found another source saying the inhabitants agreed to buy the area?

  • LangdonAlger [any]
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    4 years ago

    Besides this and Kowloon, what other modern examples are there of surviving autonomous communities (yeah I know kowloon is gone)

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        4 years ago

        Rojava is the only one that really controls their region and even then they got assistance from the US and sold their oil to them. The EZLN is allowed to exist by the government much like Christiania and Exarcheia in Athens. When the government gets tired of stuff like that they will just crush them.

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                4 years ago

                I guess I just don't see the point in autonomy projects. I want liberation for all people and that means confronting power rather than negotiating with it.

                • KiaKaha [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  You can negotiate while still working towards a wider goal.

                  The reason autonomous zones aren’t crushed immediately is that the perceived cost of doing so is higher than the alternative. The alternative being, a bloody affair in the papers that has potential to cause wider unrest.

                  Revolutionaries can take advantage of that, to create a space for organising a wider project.

                  A ceasefire isn’t the same as a capitulation.

                  • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    Autonomous zones have existed for decades and they haven't really done shit on a broader scale. In reality they just become a cool place for people to smoke weed, or in the case of Chiapas, grow overpriced coffee.

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                        Lmao imagine comparing the USSR to fucking Freetown Christiania. Every single one of these autonomous zones except Rojava is nothing more than a neighborhood. Rojava only exists because the PKK (who were MLs for a very long time) has been organizing a vanguard and army for decades, and they received "assistance" from the US to establish a friendly zone within Syria.

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                    The Soviet Union want just allowed to exist by a larger capitalist state lol. They were a country, they had complete control and their existence wasn't conditional. For groups like the Zapatistas, their existence is a privilege which can be revoked at any time by the broader state, and the second that crushing them is worth it to the state they will do it.

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                        Damn, you got me. An industrialized nation that created the modern world though the threat of an alternative to capitalism was pointless because it caved after 70 years of space exploration and free housing. Oh fuck all those countries that it assisted in their revolutions just became Walmart parking lots. Cuba is actually capitalist and exists because they sell free trade coffee to California liberals.

    • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
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      4 years ago

      Not exactly what you're looking for, but the Mondragon Cooperative is worth looking at. I mean, it's still a big fat company that eventually turned to globalism for cheap labour, but in Spain at least they treat their workers really well.

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I went there in like 2007. I smoked some hash with some Danish teenagers, went to a skate park and then got free reject burgers from a McDonald's because one of dudes worked there. 9/10

  • asaharyev [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I think Richard Ayoade's Travel Man goes there in the Noel Fielding episode. That probably tells us all that is needed about how much of an independent anarchist community it is.