https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKy32zj6xg8
Edit: More recent update on his situation after a fund raiser raised enough for him to avoid homelessness:
"The real issue isn’t whether or not someone like me should be able to access MAID. It’s whether or not we, as a society, wish to continue making people’s lives miserable and hopeless enough that suicide – assisted or otherwise – becomes a viable option. Or whether we are willing to choose to take steps that would make these people’s lives bearable enough that they won’t need to."
Edit 2: Medical assistance suicide under Capitalism and under the hands of the government is a horrible idea without any proper safeguards from abuse https://twitter.com/Lefty_Mind/status/1595443123324436481
I've never changed my mind more on a topic than I have with MAID. For years I was one of those "Well yeah, people with incurable pain conditions should have a choice" and if MAID/euthanasia was just that I would still be fine. But I simply do not trust any governmental/healthcare power to not abuse such a thing if it's available. The financial incentives for euthanasia encourage them to constantly expand eligibility for all people who exist at a "cost to society" regardless of whether or not their situation can be improved or if they even want to die.
Canada is engaging in an active genocide on its disabled population and the lack of response to this by other nations should inform you as to how they would implement their own euthanasia policies.
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The line about being able to do it for pets but not people is how it should be, not "Oh fido isn't contributing to the household anymore, time to put him down"
I know people that unironically do that. Soon as the dog gets grumpy and old and costs a little more medically they put them down
Really hate how many people have pets who have no business doing so :bear-despair:
Yeah i used to be blindly in favor of medically assisted suicide, the Liberal remnants in me felt like individuals should have the freedom to take their own life if they so choose. I thought those against it were just being moralistic or religious weirdos.
Now that I have seen how it plays out in a capitalist society though, I am realizing it can easily become a tool of class war and eugenics. It can be systematized to kill the poor, homeless and undesirables at a very high rate, acting as a release valve for the class war where the excess unneeded people are cut out of the system that can no longer support them all.
I now basically only support euthanasia in cases of terminal illness or extreme permanent suffering, and I feel there should also be tons of checks and waiting periods, as well as multiple doctors who oversee it not just one. I see how my prior position contains the same liberal brainworms of “they consensually contractually agreed voluntarily!!!” that breeds libertarianism
The liberal and libertarian use of "consent" as a buzzword that ignores all prior context, societal influence or past trauma that actually influences weather something is truly consensual and not just coercion, present in everything from getting a job, to euthanasia, to sex, has really become quite something. The perfect encapsulation of the "nothing affects anything else" mind prison of "liberal values".
I used to think in that way too in the past, but have also changed. Including on the issue of assisted suicide.
Literally "we're going to torture you until you submit and then use your submission to absolve us of any guilt or liability".
We're seeing the same shit on the Texas Border, with Abbott's cronies straight up lying to people in order to get them on buses and then announcing "They wanted to go! You liberals just hate migrants as much as we do!"
At some point, it really does just boil down to no policy being good that comes from a rent-seeking system. You cannot do anything that won't be fucked up when your prevailing concern is to extract surplus wealth from everyone and everything you touch.
The best antidote to a lib or libertarian obsessed with a hard binary of consent is unironically the Adventure Time episode “Furniture and Meat”
Jake and Finn finally go to town to spend all their loot and treasure from adventuring. It starts out innocently enough until Jake realizes he can get people to dance for him for money. It descends from there, Jake making the townsfolk do more and more depraved and uncomfortable and painful things for his entertainment until something snaps and everyone realizes Jake has gone too far and is abusing and exploiting people, taking it so far as to strip of them of subjectivity and make them into his objects. People who have “consensually” agreed to everything the entire time. Oh and he’s casually bribing the authorities the entire time to allow breaking their laws to do all this.
They try to give their money to the poor, but the poor end up trying to steal it from them and they beat them up to keep the gold (even though they were just trying to get rid of it, they couldn’t let the poor take it non-consensually!)
Eventually Jake tries to make the monarch of the kingdom into his chair and sit on her, but she won’t be bought off and gets insulted. She tries to have them executed but BMO dressed as Robin Hood saves them and they escape.
The visceral disgust you start to feel for Jake really shatters the entire thing for me
Annnnd right wingers are already using this to radicalize people against healthcare reform…terrific.
Private healthcare systems are perfectly capable of systematic eugenics as well, they will just leave the victims families with a giant bill afterwards too
Right wingers are thrilled about the killing. They're just furious that they don't get to pick who gets the ax.
This is the third instance that I'm aware of in Canada, I'm sure those are only the ones getting attention in the media.
It was like the 6th leading cause of death in Canada in 2021 or something
People are made so poor as a policy choice that they would rather die and the big ethical discussion is not about said policy choice but about whether killing yourself is too easy.
The liberals clutching their pearls over this never gave a shit about people like this man. They're perfectly happy with him being tormented as long as it happens quietly so they don't get uncomfortable. They would consider the issue to be resolved by taking away his opportunity for MAiD, condemning him to a fate he considers worse than death.
I really wish people's taxes went to just taking care of people man. This is so bleak and dreadful. Poverty is such a actionable and fixable problem but we don't ever move the funds to the people/systems that need it.
This man has a bevy of very painful conditions that requires a lot of pharmacological pain management. In Ontario, I believe it's all covered for him.
He's also on Ontario social benefits, which is something like $1200 a month. His landlord is selling the property he's renting, and he will not be able to afford market rate rent.
This is like the 3rd Ontarian who is choosing MAID (or was considering it) because they can't get adequate social housing.
Things like this has happened for as long as the rulers of this world has decided to have poverty. Desperate people do desperate things, like killing themselves. What's new is how the official bureaucratic process of MAiD puts the social murder out in the open for everyone to see. It's really hard for liberals to hide this away in some statistic or do the usual superficial handwringing about mental health when the guy is standing there and telling how he would rather die than live in the world they have created for him.
They're calling this shit MAID?
Jesus fucking Christ. Fuck Canada.
This is just awful, gotta agree with several other posters. I'd seen some arguments in the past the elderly people might be pressured by their heirs, but always thought that was a bit fringe; even if you're that greedy it seems like a good way to get removed from a will.
But seeing how, in practice, it ends up with the government killing people who can't afford rent and don't want to be homeless, or who have a disability they can't afford to pay for accommodations for, it's just so nightmarish. Given that the people designing guardrails against this theoretically are the same ghouls who benefit from abusing it, I'm not sure any government can be trusted with it.
In short, :kkkanada:
Where all the posters here that thought this was a good idea at?
Come out and get your public shaming :xok-og:
it's fine. the problem is, as usual, capitalism and more specifically in this case, landlords.
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oh shit my bad
it’s fine, eh. the problem is, as usual, capitalism and more specifically in this case, landlords. keep your stick on the ice
:mao-aggro-shining: 🍁
damn homeless people don't even want to learn to code any more smdh
