What's wrong with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
Imperialism
- Voted to expand NATO to Finland and Sweden. On the same day this vote became public, she pretends to get handcuffed during a defend abortion rally outside the supreme court rally,, then asks for donations in emails.
- Voted for Trump's 2020 War budget, allocating $738 Billion to military spending (a 3% increase over the previous year).
- She votes to keep the US in NATO, who's been responsible for countless atrocities in Europe and the Middle East.
- After Evo Morales was overthrown in a US-backed coup, she retracts her pro-Morales statements, meets with a coup-supporting group in Washington, and tweets in support of the viciously anti-indigenous government of Jean Anez. 2, 3
- In the July 2021 protests in Cuba, she called Cuban president Diaz-Canal's "anti-democratic actions.", 2 She condemned the socialist government’s “suppression of the media, speech and protest.”
- She supports Israel, and its genocide of Palestineans.
- When asked about her vote of "present", rather than no, that allocates an extras $1B USD to Israel, she defends it by saying it was a "micro"-decision that creates "a window that brings all folks to the table".
- AOC and the squad consistently vote against what they preach.
- After an anti-war activist posted a video of AOC waffling on a question about Palestine, he's interrogated by California highway patrol who claimed he issued a death threat against AOC. In reality, his tweet said: "her response was underwhelming to say the least." Its unknown whether AOC initiated the interrogation.
- Is against pardoning Julian Assange.
- Goes along with democrats and Republicans in backing US puppet Juan Guaido over Maduro in Venezuela.
- After the December 2020 Elections in Venezuala, she defends Juan Guaido, and calls Maduro an "authoritarian" yet again.
- In 2021, qualified that she only doesn't support a US invasion of Haiti, "without a plan", "right now".
- AOC pays homage to "Tibetan Uprising Day", a CIA-sponsored campaign to restore the brutal Tibetan theocracy and re-institute slavery.
- Stands with Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and the right-wing pro-Trump Hong Kong rioters in their condemnation of China and its supposed "concentration camps."
- Believes, like other democrats, that Russia rigs US elections
- After Trump fires John Bolton (who tried and failed at starting wars with North Korea, Venezuela, and Iran), she goes full neocon, angry that Trump isn't going to war with North Korea.
- Refused to talk with an Okinawan representative about the US military occupation there.
- In 2009 AOC travelled to Niger as part of a USAID program. USAID is a CIA affiliated program that backs regime change abroad (under the guise of ‘promoting democracy’.) In 2010 the Niger Government was replaced in a coup, with the US publicly backing the new regime. The previous Niger Government had ended a French monopoly on Uranium mining in their country and was looking instead to partner with China.. After the coup the French monopoly was re-instated – with dire consequences for Niger.
- After being criticized during a town hall meeting for bringing the world closer to nuclear war for her vote to arm Ukraine, she accused her critic of "speaking over a deaf person". She knew the deaf person wasn't in attendence, she was only reading that person's email.
Domestic issues
- Calls for budget cuts for DHS, due to their child detention camps and family separations, then goes back on it by voting to fully fund them along with other democrats.
- After Biden opens new child immigrant detention facilities in February 2021, she stops calling them "concentration camps", and names them "influx facilities".
- AOC wants abolish ICE, only to replace it with a resurrected INS, yet another agency whose goal was breaking up families.
- After the 2021 capitol riots, AOC defends law and order, and calls the republicans cowards for not supporting the police.
- AOC selling "law and order" and "family values" and not being "weak on crime" as socialist values.
- Defends the NYPD during the George Floyd protests, since there are women, black, latino and asian american cops.
- In December 2020, after a proposal by comic Jimmy Dore, for house democrats to refuse support for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, unless she agrees to bring a Medicare for all bill to the house, to bring relief for US citizens who lost healthcare during the pandemic. AOC and the rest of the "squad" refused, and backed Pelosi, citing concerns that the bill would not win anyway. Dore retorted that 9 / 10 democratic voters, and even a majority of republican voters support medicare for all.
- After bucking M4A during the COVID pandemic, AOC touts a FEMA funeral reimbursement program as an acheivement.
couldn't fit it all.
She's a democrat, not a socialist.
- She's a social democrat, not a socialist, fronting for the Democratic party. 2
- Danny Haiphong from BlackAgendaReport - On the Obama-ification of "the squad".
- Richard Medhurst - On the squad as a branding exercise, and AOC's support for US bombings and prison camps.
- AOC asks all supporters to vote for democrats, including Andrew Cuomo.
- AOC says she will vote for Biden in the 2020 election, saying, "I think it’s incredibly important we support the Democratic nominee in November".
- Going back on her promise to only back "progressive democrats" after her election to congress in 2018, she backs Nancy Pelosi for speaker of the house.
- Attacks critics of Biden as being "privileged" and "wanting to reinvent themselves", when she herself used to work for startup incubators.
- Says that "Left wing opponents of Biden are doing a disservice to the cause of justice.
- States to a booing crowd, her support for Nancy Pelosi and Pelosi's background of "activism" and "civic engagement".
- Says her policies are more reminiscent of Norway than Caracas, repeating the right wing myth of socialism destroying Venezuela, and wrongly conflating nordic social democracy with socialism.
- Says its possible to be both a "democratic socialist" and a Capitalist.
- Thinks the US military is socialist. Thinks social services like schools and libraries are socialist.
- After his death AOC Tweeted to commemorate John McCain, saying his “legacy represents an unparalleled example of human decency.”
- Believes that Trump "betrays" US values.
- Despite her curated image as a New York bartender, she only bartended for 6 months, and worked primarily for a startup incubator called Brooklyn Avenue Press. 2
- Wore a "tax the rich" dress at the 2021 Met Gala in New York city (a fundraiser held by New York elites), while protesters were arrested and beaten outside by police. Afterwards, she sells "Tax the Rich" merchandise on her store.
- Claims that socialist theory is only for privileged few with college educated parents, and that working class people aren't capable of understanding theory. Is unaware of the Spanish-speaking socialist tradition.
Sinema was an anti-WTO person in her youth, if I recall. Sort of like the "AOC" of the late 90s. Full of promise but quickly became bourgeois.
Sinema went from an actual progressive liberal to the most conservative democrat... literally the second she won her election.
Its actually stunning .
the "American dream" is to become bourgeois and allow your own class consciousness to wither
Shout out to Rashida Tlaib for voting against the union bill though, she's the most good of any congressperson (surprise surprise, it's because she's Palestinian)
You're thinking of Ilhan Omar, who is Somali and sits halfway between AOC and Tlaib on the goodness/badness scale
US progressives have set up a great rotating dissenter grift where they keep trading places in the spotlight as the big progressive renegade who says things like "US imperialism bad in the past and Im mad about that" or "Israel spends a lot of money influencing politics" and "Healthcare good", then they step from the podium and go back to their day job of voting exactly like the other political ghouls who want to visit unlimited misery upon the targets of US imperialism.
this. and then the right takes notice of this and says to their base "see? Socialism not lookin so great, huh?"
What is this? The Jimmy Dore show? Very dangerous comrade. You're going to make conditions harder to do socialism with this post.
Ok, but have you considered that AOC is doing what the unions wanted her to do?
I can fix he- oh wait I can't she's not fixable, she's just a grifter
Why does this site care so much about AOC? Can you make a list like this for like, Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA)? How about Blake Moore (D-UT)? Robert "Bobby" Scott (D-VA)? Joe Wilson (R-SC)?
I don't get the obsession. INB4 I get accused of supporting her - no, she's just a random congressperson and because of that I don't understand why anyone gives a shit, unless you live in her district.
She sells herself as a socialist and ran on DSA backing. Did any of the others? None of them are relevant to me unless they're claiming to be on the left.
I don't understand the question. Why wouldn't it be? If someone says they're in your camp, it's important to know if they actually are or not. What she does will impact the reputation of every other socialist running for office by association. I don't want to be associated with judas goat liberals.
Is the biggest obstacle to socialism in the US being associated with AOC?
Not at all. So where are all the threads criticizing the people I listed?
That's a contender for one of the dumbest takes I've seen on this site. Where are the threads criticising generic democrats and republicans? Every fucking thread mentioning either. Where's your thread calling out those specific goobers if they have any relevance whatsoever to the left? If you don't want your particular favourite liberal being called out, fuck off to /r/politics where you can have your personality cult and pretend it's meaningful.
Hexbear tell the difference between "I don't give a shit about AOC" and "I love AOC" challenge (impossible)
Let me clear make my position on AOC absolutely clear: I have not and never intend to vote for her, she is #notmycongressperson
AOC needs to be "the biggest obstacle to socialism" in order to criticize her, but you named 3 random congresspeople instead?
What are you even trying to say?
What are you even trying to say?
Not that, since I didn't say anything like that.
I have no problem with criticizing AOC. I have a problem with people obsessing over her, acting like she's way more important than she is, and giving her disproportionate attention
But people already explained that to you and you mysteriously ignored those comments, hmmmmm...
You don't have a point to make and just like arguing about nothing.
I'm at work lol. I have a 30 min lunch break to respond to everyone right now.
Yes it just so happens that you conveniently ignored all of the comments that explain to you why people care more about her than others. Whoopsies.
That's weird, look at all these comments that don't exist:
https://hexbear.net/post/236973/comment/3035016
https://hexbear.net/post/236973/comment/3035215
https://hexbear.net/post/236973/comment/3035683
Edit:
> complains I'm not responding
> I respond
> immediately disengages
Lol.
Because none of those people claim to be socialist and, in turn, socialists don’t feel compelled to defend every compromise and fuck up from every senator. The rule is imperial capitalism, and this list is attempting to show there aren’t exceptions
Good question. I think it's for a few reasons:
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A lot of people on this site were demsocs when she got elected and were enthusiastic about seeing a self-identifying socialist make it into congress. Then the flaws began to show.
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The American right pretends she's the 2nd coming of Lenin so pushing back against that narrative by demonstrating that she's yet another bourgeois reformist masquerading as a socialist is important, because she should not ever be the face of American socialism.
Can you make a list like this for like, Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA)? How about Blake Moore (D-UT)? Robert “Bobby” Scott (D-VA)? Joe Wilson (R-SC)?
Nobody to the was ever convinced these people had any potential to do anything good.
she’s just a random congressperson
See point 1 and 2
I don’t understand why anyone gives a shit, unless you live in her district.
nationally she's been made into the "face of socialism" by the corporate media. Now her vote against the rail strike will get to be paraded around by the right as "proof" that the "socialists" aren't allies of the working class.
Nobody to the was ever convinced these people had any potential to do anything good.
Really? Because a lot of people voted for them, otherwise they wouldn't have gotten elected. Maybe nobody on this site was convinced of that, but I think it's worth remembering that 99% of politicians who get elected in the US don't even make a pretense of being socialists. It seems to me that we should devote our time to addressing the bigger problem, and the bigger group. If we replaced every succdem with a committed M-L, it still wouldn't have much of an effect. Succdems wield so little power that it doesn't seem worthwhile to care about them.
Really? Because a lot of people voted for them, otherwise they wouldn’t have gotten elected. Maybe nobody on this site was convinced of that
well this site is who you were talking to when you asked. remember your own question? you asked the following:
Why does this site care so much about AOC?
I can't answer for anyone else.
I think it’s worth remembering that 99% of politicians who get elected in the US don’t even make a pretense of being socialists.
Right. And when those politicians betray the working class, it's business as usual. When some "socialist" politician betrays the working class (or supports bombing Yugoslavia like Bernie Sanders did in the 90s), it is under the banner of socialism, and the right gets to point to AOC and say "see, the socialists don't actually care about you!" AOC carrying around the label "socialist" and then being a basic bourgeois reformist ends up funcitoning as a propaganda victory for the right.
. It seems to me that we should devote our time to addressing the bigger problem, and the bigger group. If we replaced every succdem with a committed M-L, it still wouldn’t have much of an effect. Succdems wield so little power that it doesn’t seem worthwhile to care about them.
we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
well this site is who you were talking to when you asked
Then they need to get over it. Like, sorry the succdem let you down, learn from it and move on. I don't really care that your ex let you down.
When some “socialist” politician betrays the working class (or supports bombing Yugoslavia like Bernie Sanders did in the 90s), it is under the banner of socialism, and the right gets to point to AOC and say “see, the socialists don’t actually care about you!”
I've never heard a chud bring up Yugoslavia. Generally the bigger propaganda thrust is like, "Gommunism no food 11 gozillion dead," or whatever. Imo, just being like, "Who's AOC?" and pointing out the right's disproportionate obsession with her is an adequate response.
Then they need to get over it. Like, sorry the succdem let you down, learn from it and move on. I don’t really care that your ex let you down.
you need to get over it. sorry hexbear let you down, learn from it move on, I don't really care that the website annoyed you by talking about your ex
(see how empty that is?)
Lol. Hexbear is obsessing over a tiny, insignificant faction in US politics because of, according to you, feeling betrayed by a succdem. I'm arguing that we shouldn't give so much weight to that faction because it's not strategically important. These aren't equivalent.
I've already explained that nobody is "obsessed." Simply saying that the one faction in US politics that claims to be socialist and actually has elected seats in the house is behaving bourgeois and running the name of socialism through the mud. If you aren't willing to engage with that then I don't know what to tell you. Have a nice evening. I won't be wasting any more of my time arguing with you about this. We are perfectly capable of criticizing people other than AOC and usually do! It's just that she's done something very anti-labor over the past 24 hours so it's in the news.
PS: Pretending people are "obsessed" with AOC when people are rightly criticizing her for doing something anti-labor while pretending to be socialist in the last 24 hours is pretty absurd btw. Yes. The succdem disappointed us. Yes we're going to talk about it. Complaining about people "talking about AOC too much" is still talking about AOC, so welcome aboard.
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Because people keep trying to say that supporting AOC, which means anything from complimenting her to voting for her and her endorsements, helps our cause. That's literally what the person was saying in 500 post thread we had last night. That we need to support as many AOCs as possible in order to make things easier for ourselves to do socialism.
When people, rightfully, criticize that idea, we get people asking why we're so obsessed and of course she can't do anything, we shouldn't expect her to. You're not a supporter of her but you must understand that the topic didn't just pop up out of thin air.
And it's good/cool to dunk on her when she fails at being a good progressive. Because nobody should think that posting positively about a candidate leads to helping socialism. For one, it doesn't even help AOC because nobody cares what we think of her. Two, helping AOC doesn't lead to socialism. It's pretty basic stuff.
Do we really need 500 comments dunking on like the one person on this site who actually likes her? It just seems disproportionate to me, and I feel like people just get super :frothingfash: over the prospect that someone somewhere might like her. I don't like her and I haven't said anything positive about her, I just called her irrelevant, and I have a bunch of people accusing me of liking her, just as what happened during the Force the Vote idiocy.
it's not "in group aesthetics"
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A lot of people on this site were demsocs when she got elected and were enthusiastic about seeing a self-identifying socialist make it into congress. Then the flaws began to show.
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The American right pretends she's the 2nd coming of Lenin so pushing back against that narrative by demonstrating that she's yet another bourgeois reformist masquerading as a socialist is important, because she should not ever be the face of American socialism, given her pro-imperialism and anti-worker track record
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I still remember when Hexbear was obsessed with Horse The Vote to the point that "Who gives a shit, log off" was met with "How dare you stan AOC :wojak-nooo:"
At least she's actually an elected official. Imagine if AOC, Vaush, and Haz all died in a plane crash, what would any of us do with ourselves?
Don't worry, y'all, I promise I have never and will never cast a vote for AOC (I'm not from New York).
Imagine if AOC, Vaush, and Haz all died in a plane crash, what would any of us do with ourselves?
The Day The Dunk Tank Died
AOC struggle sessions are a Psy-op by New Yorkers trying to make me care about New York shit. Fuck all y'all, I will never eat a Bodega, I will never ride in a Bodega, and most importantly, I will never learn what a Bodega is.
Libs think voting for her is what will cause change. She's basically the new bernie, but just worse.
Sidenote : how tf is Dessalines so productive? Dude does everything.
Who knows. Looking at his github, I assume he's probably like a single guy who makes decent money from some kind of white collar job, and therefore just dedicates all his free time to his essays and free audiobook production. Amazing person though.
Maybe it's a collective of people instead of one person but I know the audiobooks are all from 1 guy by the voice.
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