I don’t have words.

The movie is just non-stop humans being absolute colonizer monsters and the people (and creatures) of Pandora, who want to live in peace, being forced to fight back (and kicking human ass).

The movie lives and dies by it’s visual effects and by god are they incredible. Pandora is just such a beautiful world, and Cameron lets you experience it in all its beauty and unity and peace before he shows the ugly human machines and weapons kill and destroy it. You feel the pain and the righteous anger when the Navi fight back. I was cheering for every human death of which there are many.

Is the story perfect? Nah. There are points where it’s cliche etc but I don’t mind that. There is a larger story about nature and colonisation and that’s what matters so much more. Pandora is a world that can fight back because the world itself is alive and connected and god just imagine if Earth was like that.

I’m definitely gonna see it again and I’m super pumped for the sequels.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      This was the same cryptofascist argument that Ayn Rand made for why First Nations peoples deserved to be mass murdered. :scared-fash:

      • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        No, see, it’s okay because they’re blue aliens and not actually native Americans!

        Just like how HP’s Goblins aren’t actually Jewish (despite being grotesque, centuries-old caricatures of them) so you can un-problematically commit pogroms on them in a game just fine!

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          "Doing atrocities for humanity" is always exclusionary and said for the purposes of "othering" a killing target, human or otherwise.

              • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                The Tau were that, but the creepiest development head in Games Workshop, Matt Ward, went out of his way to try to retcon the Tau into evil mind controllers that sterilize their alien recruits. He's the same developer whose self-admitted favorite faction "The Grey Knights," (cw: Gambo-tier gory edgy misogyny)

                spoiler

                were written by him to have a habit of ritually mutilating and murdering Sisters of Battle to wear their body parts as magic talismans to protect against the Warp. You know, in a way that totally isn't Chaos sorcery at all. Morally grey. During a softball "interview" given by a Games Workshop employee, Matt Ward giggled like the manchild he is while remarking about how funny that was to him. :sus:

                  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    There's some continuity mending later where the "Tau are mind controllers that sterilize their alien recruits" is presented in-setting as official Imperium of Man propaganda. That is to say, highly suspect and likely just made to stoke xenophobia further.

                    The Ultramarines even sign a treaty with the Tau and even trade some technology in the post Matt Ward era.

              • HornyOnMain
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                2 years ago

                back when I used to be into 40k I remember that arguments used to flair up all the time on r/sigmarxism about whether the Tau were actually communist or not and the consensus was basically that although they weren't perfectly communist (since they were made in the 80s by a bunch of british nerds who didn't know much about communism except that it was the thing that happened in the scary eastern countries), they were close enough and the only thing that couldn't be easily explained away was their caste system

            • BeamBrain [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              There's a Warhammer 40k/Avatar crossover fanfic. It's exactly what you'd expect :agony:

              • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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                2 years ago

                Hey, no problems here. Someone can match that with a fic where an advanced communist species smokes the human invasion force ahead of time, establishes ties with the Na’vi to ensure their autonomy and sails off to the horizon to liberate Earth of its Bourgeois masters.

      • cogito_ergo_cum [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I seem to remember reading somewhere that the argument was already made at least as early as during the colonization of America that it's not enough to live on and use land for it to be ones property, but rather "developing" the land gives one that right.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Polluting the water and dumping microplastics into the sky is developing something all right.

        • NPa [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Such a dumb fucking idea too

          "Oh so you're hunting, fishing, gathering, farming the land and keeping the ecosystem healthy? Well that's clearly not developed. You're not even extracting surplus value and using it to enrich a small class of slave-owning scumbags!"

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      dae hate le fern gully in space get that unobtanium :so-true:

      • ElChango [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        fern gully in space

        this is the first time i've heard this connection and it's...just perfect :chefs-kiss:

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          It's been chanted in rage on :reddit-logo: and elsewhere for over a decade.

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I remember this part of internet culture with absolutely no fondness

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I remember this part of internet culture with absolutely no fondness

        No need to remember it when it hasn't yet gone away. :soypoint-1: :melon-musk: :soypoint-2:

      • JMAC [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        When I was younger I thought the premise (exploring how aliens and humans would view eachother) of a lot of HFY was pretty interesting but lacking, so I started doing a little short story series on tumblr. Iirc I was trying to counter the chuddy homo-supremacy thing by making the characters have to cooperate and work with eachother while the human antagonists fail due to ego and infighting.

        This was years ago, I only got a few chapters in and I've since lost the login creds for that account. :deeper-sadness: I may revive the idea though

        • BeamBrain [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          That's a cool premise and I wish you could've finished it.

    • LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Humanity fucking killed their own planet you fuckhead. What the fuck is this chud on about.

      There are thousands of sci-fi stories about humans killing each other (and other aliens) in space. Every time humans are the “good guys” and the military etc bs gets valorised. This is the one franchise where humans are unquestionably evil and we side with the native people.