cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/2423375
Why is there so much communist propaganda on lemmy?
I’d definitely describe myself as a communist, but I do realize we never had a proper communist state on this planet, just authoritarian states that acted like communists to win over the workers. Capitalism needs to be regulated as fuck to create a fair society, so for now, I strive for socialism, because I understand going straight to communism probably won’t work.
Sorry if this was uncalled for, I just wanted to show there are sensible communists who don’t excuse Russia and China for the shit they’re pulling. But neither do I excuse the west for a lot of shit we are pulling.
Chauvanists like this will spell out China's economic system and reasoning for taking the path they took, and then immediately denounce them for doing exactly what they claim to want. And while they might claim to criticize their own government, they will then turn around and feed you lines that come straight from the state department
Capitalism needs to be regulated as fuck to create a fair society, so for now, I strive for socialism, because I understand going straight to communism probably won’t work.
It might be because that person has no idea what words mean
They think that socialism = communism and social democracy = socialism
Also, there’s a reason it’s called critical support. Libs reserve nuanced, overall support but granular criticism for countries in the West, but outside of it? Oh no, then it’s a binary, you have to think they’re either evil or do nothing wrong, no in between.
people like this want to be aristocrats living in their manicured parks so they never have to see people toil. that's what socialism means to them.
First paragraph, what they're talking about is that they want a society where they get healthcare and education, but they don't mind too much if cops are still murdering Black people, there are some homeless people, and queer people are forced to fight for their rights regularly. Sorry, what can you do? The world isn't perfect!
The second paragraph is them seething about the world not being perfect in the way they specifically wish.
You have to understand: China is not white, so it is doing it wrong.
Leaves platform enshittified by capitalism
Complains about people being communists
Bruh
>go to site made by communists >look inside >communists
how could the woke mob do thisMore than that.
leave site because it was ruined by capitalists
find new site that's similar but made and maintained by communists to avoid the exact scenario you have a problem with
"We gotta get rid of these communists and make this place more like the place we just abandoned for being terrible."
Real communism is market ownership by the people, and not some elite cabal of politicians or capitalists. And a top-down planned economy is pretty much anti-communism, as it violates the very fundamentals of communism as being worker-driven.
Ah yes, I learn new things everyday
communism seen through the lense of thatcher-no-such-thing-as-society... they should find a use for their brain cos it's not doing anything in their skull
These countries were previously communist and (of that has that) have pretty much only improved since transitioning to democracy with capitalist economic systems:
[list of countries that are much worse off since the end of the Soviet Union]
The last stage of the Marxist evolution of communism involves the decay of state institutions through neglect, as they become redundant in a post-scarcity no-cops Utopia.
But there are a bunch of prior stages (including capitalist industrialization even!) that are neglected. And even then, the utopian end-game is routinely disputed by the subsequent generations of Leninists and Maoists who believe we will never truly escape the revolutionary cycle.
There absolutely are Already Existing Socialist states attempting to move themselves from primitive accumulation, through industrial capitalism, and into a collectively governed socialist post-scarcity society. And people absolutely are living in them. And none of them are Utopian (although the quality of life in many of these countries is exhaustively propagandized to be by degrees to be between Unbearably Hellish and FALGSC-adjacent).
The problems that these countries typically have, however, aren’t ones that armchair communists on a niche western internet platform are capable of solving. You’re not going to break the Cuban blockade. You’re not going to settle the endless territorial disputes plaguing Vietnam. You’re not going to undo the legacy of generations of apartheid in South Africa overnight. You’re not going to Make the USSR Great Again.
So maybe save yourself some angst and stop trying to tell Nicholas Maduro and Kim Jung Un how to do their jobs. Maybe worry more about why your local chapter of the DSA can’t get a teacher’s union off the ground.
Maybe worry more about why your local chapter of the DSA can’t get a teacher’s union off the ground.
That's too ambitious. Try getting a book club to actually meet regularly
These countries were previously communist and (of that has that) have pretty much only improved since transitioning to democracy with capitalist economic systems:
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Russia
Material reality trumps ideology. Make all the shitty boomers experience scientific socialism, and they'd be willing to die to defend it. They'll still fucking suck but they know who'll actually scratch their back
I’m beginning to see why people call lemmy.world the Reddit of the fediverse
lmao comrade @AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com (we're not federated but respect where respect is due)
Sees: Contradictions of capitalism becoming more apparent
Asks: is this communist propaganda?
These are the people who tell us we don't read enough lmao
Listen sweaty, there's only one sort of theory that matters.
Show
How to tell people you haven't read theory without telling people you haven't read theory
"Yeah I've read some Marx. Which works? Uh...the communist manifesto? That's the one where he talks about a utopian society where everyone is equal, right?"
People speak so confidently about what communists believe, and will lie about what they've read to try and hide the fact that they're working entirely off vibes and propaganda.
The amount of libs anarchist-washing Marx is far too high, they see "stateless" and immediately think it means a bunch of people living in communes
Stateless means no government right?
State and Revolution, what's that? That book I haven't read but presume says that the state is Good, Actually?
It's so fucking frustrating.
10 out of 10 libs, and unfortunely a huge chunk of the "left", don't know the emphasis on production by marxism and are mindblown when i mention it.
As an anti-communist, I am the expert on what communism means and what communists want. As someone who has read no theory, I am the expert.
I know it's like herding cats
facts don't care about your blocklist
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