Unregulated and unrestricted :freeze-gamer: chatbots and chatbot-adjacent tech are inevitably going to be garbage in/garbage out. Worse, here, a kawaii childlike-appearing :libertarian-alert: waifu bot picked up enough /pol/ and /r9k/ from what it was fed by the usual fandom to become an even more efficient propaganda machine than the average :heated-gamer-moment:

Shit's fucked. :debord-tired:

I'll finish by posting :manhattan: in advance for likely and maybe inevitable treat defending in this thread. I've heard it all. I already touch grass regularly. Shit's still fucked.

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Weird how all these chatbots get primed with edgy right-wing shit and never edgy left-wing shit

    • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Not enough alienated terminally online leftists with too much free time ready to randomly troll chatbots :sicko-wistful:

      • Gucci_Minh [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I wake up, go to work, get off work, do basic human things that I need to stay alive and hygienic, maybe like 2 hours max of free time, and then go to sleep for more work the next day, so unfortunately unlike right wing 14 year olds I can't be shitposting about Lenin 24/7 on random AI chatbots. :sicko-wistful:

        • BGDelirium [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Nuh uh, I was told nObOdY wAnt tO wOrK nEmOrE!! Especially those soft blue- haired snowflakes!

        • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          :capitalist-laugh: got their boots on our necks so bad we can't implement Fully Automated Luxury Communism (with shitposting characteristics). :bawllin-sad:

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      We should make a HexbearGPT - a fork of ChatGPT that is exclusively trained on lefty forums like this one.

  • CTHlurker [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    This headline might have had the same effect on my health as sleeping on the elephants foot in Chernobyl.

    • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Chatbots are just sophisticated patten recognition software. You input enough racist sentences, the algorithm will associate those as the "correct" answer to certain question/prompts. Bored 4channers like to pull up to public-facing chatbots and get them to say vile stuff for the lulz. Garbage in, garbage out.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        The more childlike the waifu presentation, the more likely right wing chanlords are going to want to dump barrels of nazi sewage into the input.

    • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Because chan types flood anything that's open to audience participation with their culture as soon as they get a whiff of its existence.

      I remember a clothes retailer having a t-shirt design competition where people could submit and vote on entries like 15 years ago. The top voted entry was Pedobear

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Toxic waste mixed with pretty much anything else is still toxic waste. Poorly restricted and barely regulated chatbots are going to absorb toxic waste from the creeps, right-wing weebs, and :freeze-gamer: types that tend to feed them.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        they’re mirrors and we’re the ones looking into them, of course they’ll be racist

        :what-the-hell:

        Who is the "we" you're talking about here? This sounds like the latest rehash of the fash-enabling "Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory" excuse for nazi propaganda and related cognitohazards.

        No, people aren't intrinsically bigots and assuming that "we" as people are naturally holocaust deniers is a horrible take.

        • huf [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          westoids high on our excellent culture which is not racist at all.

          arent vtuber audiences basically gamers? and you know what they're like...

  • duderium [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The completely scientific and objective and non-ideological AI said it, so it must be true! /s

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I've heard pretty much that for years about numerous technologies, from search engines to search optimization algorithms to attempts to automate moderation on forums and message boards to attempts to "O B J E C T I V E L Y" judge beauty contest contestants in ways that seemed mysteriously :us-foreign-policy: . "The machine has no bias and no political agenda" is a bullshit claim, before and more than ever now, because the people that own capital decide what constitutes "nonpolitical" "neutral" or even "objective."

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          That's the neat part. Pursuit of "nonpolitical" as a political goal will always be a political goal because it involves deciding what the default "nonpolitical" positions are. :think-mark:

          There's no way to watch the watchers in a truly "objective" or "nonpolitical" way. To believe otherwise is :LIB: fantasy.

          • FlintstoneSpiceLatte [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Couldn't have said it better myself, I might have mentioned once or twice before that the right: from conservatism to fascism, see themselves as the absence of politics. They are just normal people trying to uphold normality.

  • MerryChristmas [any]
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    2 years ago

    Does anyone on hexbear have the skills to make one of these? I can assist with graphics. I think it'd be a useful propaganda vehicle.

  • Grownbravy [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    this keeps happening

    THE LESSON GETS REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN

    AI MUST BE INFINITELY SMARTER BECAUSE THEIR GODDAMN PROGRAMMERS NEVER LEARN THIS LESSON

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Within the first few streams, someone had already asked Neuro-sama about the Holocaust. “I’m not sure if I believe it,” she said.

    That was one of the more infamous clips that went viral online near the end of last month. Asked what she thought of women’s rights, she said they didn’t exist. How would she solve philosophy’s famous trolley ethical conundrum? Throw a fat person on the tracks

    I feel like one of those is not like the others.

  • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I dunno, it just looks like your average twitch streamers job's getting automated. /s

    This was always the trajectory these technologies were going to go on, but still I didn't think that I'd be living in the world of Metal Gear Solid 2 so soon.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      This technology makes it easier to do fascist propaganda, and to do it efficiently and faster than ever before.

      At the moment, there are few nations with the will to even try to regulate or restrict this hazard because unrestricted treat flow means profits and nothing is supposed to interfere with that. Also, fascism doesn't threaten capital so capitalists don't care and sometimes enjoy the show. :capitalist-laugh:

  • FlintstoneSpiceLatte [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Hmmm, call me crazy but perhaps to preserve the actual truth, we should not delegate AI training to sheeple, let alone keep around ANY citizen science? Perhaps all AI should be trained on objective fact instead of popular opinion? God I hate normies.

    • Blep [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Well you see curating scholarly articles would take a multidisciplinary team of academics a bunch of money years, trawling /b/ for a few weeks is basically free

  • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]
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    2 years ago

    I have a vague understanding of what a 'vtuber' is and all I have to ask is - why?

    I can see some value in watching a real person stream, especially if they keep up with news or what have you. But streaming bots? Nah.

      • Satanic_Mills [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Specifically very helpful if you're not a cis white male and don't want to be the target of personal attacks.

        • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          It gets confusing because IIRC the first vtuber was a corporate-owned character played by several actors pretending to be an AI chatbot

          • The_Dawn [fae/faer, des/pair]
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            2 years ago

            I thought that didn't come til much later? I thought corporations didn't really hop on the train until it was proven to be popular. The first vtuber I remember people talking about was "Mel" or whoever, around gamergate, and that was because she was the first vtuber who did cam shows and all the incels/proto-incels went all ":soypoint-1: And they never said we'd be able to replace REAL women! :soypoint-2:" which I also imagine has a huge influence on Why Vtuber Culture Is The Way It Is Now

            • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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              2 years ago

              I was thinking of Kizuna Ai who I think codified the vtuber concept as we understand it

              Not an expert on the topic though

        • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          It's largely people with motion tracking hardware who then get an artist to create an avatar for them.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e818LgnJ9rI