People underrate how bad he was just because he had a conscience. First neoliberal president who paved the way for Reagan.
On the other hand, he did spend his post presidency building houses instead of crassly cashing in, so maybe he'll wind up in a higher circle of hell than most other presidents.
I remember someone on the old subreddit saying that he is the only president that knows he is going to hell
ford also allegedly frequently told people that he knew he was hellbound for pardoning nixon lol
He had enough consciousness to regret what he did, but not enough to not be a ghoul.
the last desperate believer in atonement to walk into the white house
that or you know maybe he's just as ego driven as every other president who denies wrongdoing. i don't know the guy
The tiniest of fig leaves given his support and direction of School of The Americas genocidal death squads.
people forget operation cyclone (arming mujahideen/baiting USSR into afghanistan to defend their allies in the Kabul government) started under carter
On a related note anybody have a link or a remember a summary on China's involvement in that
they were on the wrong side of that because the sino-soviet split was a major bruh moment. basically if i recall they helped the pakistani ISI funnel weapons to the Afghan Mujahideen
Was there an ideological reason for that other than "We want to be friendly with the west so we'll do fucked up shit just to ingratiate ourselves"? It seems to go against observable evidence we have for their modern interactions with other countries
I think the Chinese perspective on the sino-soviet split (and I'm just going off some translated statements Deng Xiaoping made, so perhaps my perspective is limited) is that Khruschev was a shithead who tore up hundreds of the old Stalin-era agreements between the USSR and PRC, ruining their economic relationship, and isolating them diplomatically. So from the Chinese perspective, Khruschev "drew first blood" so to speak, in the Sino-Soviet split. But there's probably more to it than that. Also around the same time, China's relationship with the Non-Aligned-Movement in the global south soured because of the Sino-Indian war. This left China in a precarious and isolated position where they were either gonna get the treatment that Indonesia got (CIA coup leading to the purging of millions of Communists, trade unionists, etc.) or they were gonna warm up to the US economically and provide cheap labor, and keep their head low until they became stronger (which is what ended up happening).
Thanks that's a way better answer than what I was expecting.
Not that I approve of Operation Cyclone but it seems like China's strategy overall ended up paying off. Did Kruschev actually do that unprompted or was there more back and forth than they're letting on there?
Did Kruschev actually do that unprompted or was there more back and forth than they’re letting on there?
i don't know, i need to read more about it tbh
Same. I'd like to blame Kruschev too but I'm not confident enough in that era of history yet. I'd definitely believe it.
Carter is probably a good refutation of the Lib's idea that we just need to elect a good person as president. He was a good person who did horrific things as president. Emphasize this to your lib friends.
Despite his presidency I can't help but admire his post-presidency work on building houses and eradicating the guinea worm. Rest in peace Bozo.
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Edit: :reddit-logo: is gonna be somehow even more insufferable over the next few weeks.
6 foot tall civility boner, a world record, on r/politics
0 but I didn't pave the way for Reagan, or arm Taliban, or help butcher East Timor, or
Endless videos of interviews and "best moments" "no THESE are the best moments" or whatever the fuck on r/videos. /r/oldschoolcool et all will be swamped too. Fuck, I'm glad I managed to kick my :reddit-logo: habit
cant possibly be worse then when McCain died. The amount of libs (announcing themselves as "as a leftist") mourning that fuck was absurd. Lionizing him as some american hero who fought against the GOP with his dying breaths when in reality he sent countless people to their premature deaths through constantly blocking healthcare reforms and being a war hawk. Though he had no problem taking advantage of socialized healthcare himself. God Im just glad he got Glioblastoma and not some peaceful death. Can only hope the same for Kissinger.
I already just ripped off the bandaid and said I'm glad he's going to be dead in the group chat. Don't have patience for trying to pretend to give a fuck anymore.
Sending out 'lol bye bitch' to my coworkers in the Carter Center group chat
Friend chat, usually pretty good, but they will fall for lib bait if pressured enough.
I mean i get that peanuts wasn't great, but gratest monster ever? Like I would place Clinton and Bush the lesser as much worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czfKPaypNsU This exactly how it would go if the statue was unveiled in front of hexbear
I've only participated in two statue topplings and I would like to make it a hat trick
I'm still mad that we failed to get the one I participated in. guy who led the action was a fed though, so maybe it was for the best.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/18/jimmy-carters-blood-drenched-legacy/
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/11/jimmy-carters-blood-drenched-legacy-2/
He is 98 years old?! Holy shit. Also, i can't believe Carter will die before Kissinger.
he was president 45 years ago but is only 18 years old than Biden. When you think about it that way... it's fucked
Our heads of state receive a level of health care that we proles can not even dream of.
good for him. i'm glad he knows he's going to hell. it's made him live in a reasonable house, in his hometown all his life, building houses for poor people and trying to get doctors in his rural area. i hope he knows how little it makes up for aiding suharto, and i'd like to think at some level, he does.
Thought of some good cringe while reading this thread
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Me, a gamer but also a communist but also an American: Jimmy Carter is the Paarthurnax of US Presidents.
Meh, he did some good things AFTER he was president. Admitted a bunch of US crimes and tried to improve relations with the DPRK, Bolivia, Cuba, Venezuela and Syria. Still a war criminal.
