https://twitter.com/EAPhenomiks/status/1631010291822612481?s=20

  • CoolerOpposide [none/use name]
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    The USSR’s forces were strong and bold,

    They fought with bravery and courage untold,

    But it was a great sin,

    that Stalin stopped at Berlin,

    And left the workers of the world in the cold.

    • wwiehtnioj [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      A lot of people calling themself libertarian socialist just did a political quadrant quiz and picked the answers that don't want to murder the poor and lgbt directly (doing it systemically is just implied). Someone familiar with what anarchism and socialism actually is are more likely to go with ancom or a more specific tendency as a label.

  • DoubleShot [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    They go on to explain:

    He knew the risks of trying to rush the revolution, he knew the risks of not having socialists at peace talks, he knew the fear it would cause, and he knew the concentration of power could have bad consequences with future leaders, and he knew that he was destroying left unity.

    This momo is missing at least three big things:

    1.) Tsarist Russia was getting rolled by the Germans. The Russian people unequivocally wanted out of the war; this was part of the appeal of the Bolsheviks. This person seems to think Lenin had any ability at all to stay in the war. "Peace" was literally the first word in "Peace, Land, and Bread". If the Bolsheviks wanted to stay in the war the Russian people would not have supported them.

    2.) There is no way on god's green earth the capitalist Entente powers would have given Communists a seat at the table. None. Laughable assumption.

    3.) UK and France didn't push excessive reparations on Germany for shits and giggles. They were deeply in debt to the war-profiteering US and the US was insisting on getting paid back in full. Keynes even said it was a terrible idea to make Germany pay these reparations because trying to pay back the US without giving the Germans a way to earn back USD via exports to the US (which the US wasn't allowing) was a recipe for disaster. Keynes was right and this is exactly what happened. But assuming the person tweeting here is American, maybe they can be forgiven some for not knowing this because this fact is conveniently left out of US history class because gee, that sure makes it seem that the US has some culpability in the rise of the Nazis, huh?

    • SaniFlush [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      I sure as shit didn't know no.3! Where might I read more about it?

      • DoubleShot [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I think Michael Hudson talks about it in Superimperialism

        Edit: btw some googling says that the total war debts owed to the US was well over $200 billion in today's dollars. The Entente wanted the US to cancel the debt as their war contribution (you know, given how the UK and France lost millions of people and the US was relatively unscathed). But the US said no and only let up some during the depths of the Great Depression.

    • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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      2 years ago

      Russian people unequivocally wanted out of the war; this was part of the appeal of the Bolsheviks. This person seems to think Lenin had any ability at all to stay in the war. “Peace” was literally the first word in “Peace, Land, and Bread”. If the Bolsheviks wanted to stay in the war the Russian people would not have supported them.

      When we're talking about who "destroyed left unity" let us remember that when the Bolsheviks did try to negotiate an end to the war, the other major left party, the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries, literally tried to assassinate both Lenin and the German ambassador in order to accomplish... more destruction? pretty ballsy move tbh but very stupid

      and don't even get me started on the Right "Socialist Revolutionaries" who would rather collaborate with a straight up military dictatorship rather than the working class. The Bolsheviks had plenty of reason to be skeptical of other left parties

    • pinglun [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Fun fact: in 1916 the Germans were winning the war and the Americans only entered to save their bankers from ruin. If the French lost, you think the Germans were going to pay back those loans? Source: Smedley Butler.

      • CrimsonSage [any]
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        2 years ago

        I mean sorta. They Germans made a breakthrough late in the war, but it stalled out because if lack of logistical capacity. The general consensus is that Germany would have lost anyway without American direcy intervention, it would have just taken longer. That being said, this is all in retrospect, the us did declare war to protect their bankers because it did appear at the time like the allies might lose.

  • Antiwork [none/use name, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Had a lib tell me the USSR was worse than Nazis, the Red Army had no war strategy and just walked into bullets which is why so many died, the war wouldn’t have ended without USA. And more unhinged nazi apologia

    • Beaver [he/him]
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      Had a lib tell me the USSR was worse than Nazis, the Red Army had no war strategy and just walked into bullets

      One of the biggest changes in my perspective towards WW2 was reading about the actual available manpower available to the Axis as compared to the Soviets - which is to say, close to parity (remember it wasn't just Germany attacking, it was also Italy, and Hungary, and Romania, and more), and then actually leaning towards an Axis advantage after tens of millions of Soviet citizens were locked behind the frontline of invading Axis armies. The Soviet victory against the combined armies of fascist central Europe was even more mindbogglingly impressive than than is typically thought - they fought with every disadvantage conceivable, and by the end of the war were fighting with more effective and advanced tactics, able to raise more manpower despite inconceivable losses, and were able to produce more war material with less people available at home (since so many were on the front). To trivialize it as some sort of inevitable result of throwing bodies at the enemy is to misunderstand how hard the Soviets kicked Nazi ass.

    • MaoistLandlord [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Reminds me of the Kingsman post credit :soypoint-1: scene when Hitler and Lenin teamed up together

      • VILenin [he/him]M
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        2 years ago

        Liberals and historical revisionism are like cops and murdering minorities

  • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Because Western Europe wouldn't have let Germany go on a rampage in the hopes that they would go after the USSR, right? :padme:

  • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Lenin set up the country that saved the world from a complete global Holocaust.

    I'm Jewish and the only reason I am alive today is because of Lenin, Stalin, and the sacrifices made by millions of Soviets I will never know the names of.

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      To paraphrase a Red Army general, the Soviets saved Europe from fascism - and the Europeans never forgave them for it.

      • pinglun [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Europeans are just slavish people who want to be ruled. Just look at Germany today, they voluntarily gave up control of their security to the Americans and control of their economy to the Russians. And then when the Americans bombed Nordstream 2, they meekly accepted overpriced American gas to make up the difference. Now they're meekly sending tanks to the nazis. The French are the only ones with any spine, and it's just assholish contrarianism rather than actual burning desire for freedom.

  • MaoistLandlord [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Karl Marx wrote the manifesto

    Lenin was inspired by Marx

    Lenin founded the USSR

    Stalin started WWII and the holocaust

    The USSR invaded Afghanistan

    The US defended democracy by funding the mujahaideen

    The mujahaideen later became the taliban and al qaeda

    Al qaeda committed the 9/11 attacks

    Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Russia, and Putin, and all communists are literally responsible for 9/11

    • ComradeChairmanKGB [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Cool when does 9/11 get a sequel though? Tired of hearing about the original, we're overdue from another installment.

      • robinn [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Should have better graphics and retcon the jet fuel plothole from the last entry

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        2 years ago

        I think the main evidence that the feds don't care much about this site(definitely still have their eyes on us) is that we haven't all been put on the no fly list.

      • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Honestly, if there's going to be another instance of the US feeling "national humiliation", it will be overseas troops getting caught with their pants down by the locals so badly that even the media can't try to spin it.

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Publius Quinctilius Varus utterly failing at Teutoburg is what began the path of German nationhood.

      Varus was a general of Rome at the time it was ruled by Augustus Caesar.

      Augustus was mentored by Julius Caesar.

      Therefore, Brutus was a hero for stabbing Caesar and attempting to stop the rise of Nazi Germany.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Succdems stop making excuses for the (Fascist) terror challenge (Impossible)

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Does Rose Twitter really want to play this game? Because the Holocaust definitely wouldn't have happened had the Spartacists succeeded.

  • Fishroot [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Did the person watched the latest’s king’s men ?whatever that movie is called

  • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    In other news, the Santa Cruz skateboard company bankrolled the Khmer Rouge, and the retired plumber who lives across the street from you did 9/11.

    Don't believe me? Just keep sucking PUTLER's dick, sweaty.

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