I will shush the sparrows if you like

  • TemporalMembrane [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    If you've ever seen lockpicking lawyer on youtube, smart locks are the easiest locks to pick in the world. If they spend lots on the electronics, the keyway is usually shit and anyone could pick it. If they spent a lot on a secure keyway, you can usually just pop off the panel and reset it or short it to unlock. If they spent a lot on the keyway and the electronics... landlords wouldn't buy it because they're cheap as fuck.

    • Notcontenttobequiet [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Came here to say this. I will add that a strong magnet is usually enough to open these. Don't even need to pick.

    • acealeam [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      smartlocks are the bane of my existence. i started off with a deadbolt, then a month into my lease they said we're replacing these with a smart lock. by the way, you only get 1 key, can't make more of them, if you lose it it will be 50 dollars to replace (i checked and they cost 5 dollars lol). Oh and they dont work in the rain bye! I had to leave my apartment unlocked no less than 3 times because I had to urgently leave and the lock didn't work after 10 minutes of trying. At one point I woke the maintenance guy up at 3am because the battery died. /:

    • GothWhitlam [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The moment I'm locked out of my apartment and rendered unable to access my things is the moment my landlord has a whole fuckload of broken property to deal with.

      Try and keep me from my Hitachi wand landlord? You're fucking with the wrong cowboy.

      • VILenin [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        you'll end up in r/imatotalpieceofshit on reddit with the title "ungrateful renter destroys property, costing thousands"

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      It makes absolute sense: The point is inflicting pain on the poors.

  • CoralMarks [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is why I am generally skeptical of any smart appliance, who knows what they do with it down the road.

  • cilantrofellow [any]
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    4 years ago

    Pretty sure smart locks were what allowed Amber Guyger to enter Botham Jean’s apartment.

    E: not smart locks just hotel style electronic locks.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      So they can't prevent a home invader from killing you while you watch TV then.

      • science_pope [any]
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        4 years ago

        https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/09/03/botham-jean-family-lawsuit-south-side-flats-apartments-door-lock/

        Apologies for the auto-play video. The short version is that it was an electronic lock that was defective, allowing Guyger to enter. It doesn't sound like it was a smart lock like described in OPs article, just a normal key-card version.

        • cilantrofellow [any]
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          4 years ago

          I’ve been kind of a truther about this because no one stopped to think who was responsible for her getting in the wrong apartment - who is at fault for this. I’ve never seen an article acknowledging the fact that the shitty locks that this massive corporate landlord used directly enabled one of their tenants to be murdered.

  • wombat [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I wonder how would it fare in a blizzard in a strong magnetic field.

  • Circra [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Just wondering how much this'd cost to replace. I am also wondering if it's one of those bits of kit that might be seriously fucked up by holding a strong magnet to it for a while. I'm also wondering how many times you'd have to call out the landlord to replace their constantly malfunctioning smartlock before they gave up installing them.

    • regul [any]
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      4 years ago

      cheapest models are about $150

    • BDE [any]
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      4 years ago

      Can we call it MaoWare?

    • regul [any]
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      4 years ago

      Most current Z-Wave/Zigbee hacks require being present when the device is added.

      There's usually a white paper presented at DefCon every year about it, but there haven't been any that give you control after the device has been included in a while.

      • throwawaylemmy [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I wouldn't know. I'm just saying most "Internet of Shit™" devices are cracked/broken and not very secure.

        I really wish I had that "I work in IT, that's why all my devices are dumb items" tweet, it was really on the mark with regards to this sort of stuff.

        If the device is actually secure AFTER installation, great. But I'm thinking the way into it is just to rip the device off (which is loud/easily caught I guess) if all-else-fails and you HAVE to get in.

        • regul [any]
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          4 years ago

          I'm a software engineer for an IoT company. I don't have smart locks because I live in a shitty apartment and can't replace them, but I would have them otherwise.

          I think the stuff that's really sketchy is the wifi-enabled stuff. That I might not trust, but I think the main exposure that would come from a zigbee/z-wave lock (beyond someone just picking it) is via your account with the IoT hub provider, which is as secure as any other internet account, but will let someone open your door.

          There are solutions that can air-gap that stuff, the downside being then that you can only control it if you're on your home wi-fi, but it's possible.

          When it comes down to it, someone can always just throw a brick through your window.