This is why I view the Trump arrest with the same celebratory fever as the libs. It’s an event that only weakens the American federal state, and will lead to every president getting arrested by the opposing parties state from here on out.
These are positive trends for balkanization or revolutionary defeatism.
balkanize is the word we use for it but the United States will not split into several soverign warring countries like Yugoslavia. there are no social divides as consistent and dramatic in the US.
come on folks, this the Yankee Century of Humiliation. What are we getting? Warlord Era. Yes, a few Warlords will pretend to be independent countries, a few will be de-facto, but won't claim to be. but the maps will all still show the same country.
Yeah this is the safe bet. The mechanism of warlordization will be the state governments - as the federal government recedes into only maintaining the military and printing the currency, state governments will fill the void and there will be a moment where the Governors of the big states will all have more domestic power than the President. I could see one of them declaring themselves independent and it going about as well as Catalonia's attempt did, leading to the rest to realize that that's not in the cards.
I hear (white) libs and chuds talk about a civil war coming and I’m always asking what exactly they’re going to fight and die over. From where I’m sitting most of the ~60% of people in this country who are white don’t have enough differences between each other to war over. Are libs and chuds really going to battle to the death over Trump vs Robert Mueller and the rule of law? There’s no way. And I can’t see the libs going to war over lgbt rights.
The chuds I see calling for civil war are especially funny, because they’re all comfortable people. What, you’re going to give up your lifted truck and your nice house with central cooling and junk food to put on fatigues and march overland only to die in an artillery bombardment? It’s all just hot air.
Maybe if we get to the point where water is scarce or the like people will have something concrete to fight over. Even something like a race war, the people the fash would need to make up their armies are all too well-off to give up their lives of plenty. Things are going to need to get very, very bad before I could imagine a civil war happening.
chuds I see calling for civil war
when they say this they mean the army will come round up the lib politicians and do all the fighting while they get to put on a jackboot and enact their violent fantasies on their local subdivision.
i want to see americans doing mongolian horse archery but in motorcycles to each other, folks the great khan of the great lakes, he is no good he is filthy, but his biker archers aim true, folks, more and people are saying it
The Michigan / Ohio beef is real. But If we can purge Tex@$$ and Fluoride we'd be better off IMO.
a Guomindang military advisor to the Nationalist Nebraska Army Command mumbling about how "the kind Yan Xishan would've shot everyone here" :kind-vladimir-ilyich:
On a basic level, I know accelerationism is not a great ideology, but there's a little :sicko-yes: deep in my psyche that's rooting for it
Accelerationism will never abandon you, unlike all your utopian ideologies :posad:
Just wait until the Colorado River beef escalates, California is big enough to rely on itself for now, but Arizona, Nevada, and CO will be fighting before long
Aren't you forgetting about someone? :utah-leaning-in-accusingly:
Mitt Romney, dressed as Lord Humungus, lifts a megaphone: "there has been too much suffering. too much pain."
I was gonna post the same thing. Utah, Wyoming and New Mexico will get involved too I bet. Utah might pop off first with the Great Salt Lake turning into the Aral Sea in the next 10 years.
My guess is that it’ll be another rancher/farmer situation that pits local militias/state police vs the feds like the 2014 Bundy standoff. Like, some farmer upstream in Nevada will “defy” a water ban that’s supposed to protect California almond farmers and it’ll escalate to violence
California will throw its hat in the ring just because it thinks it can win and those southwestern hicks don't deserve the colorado
actually as someone who lives in a republican state and can't move i am not looking forward to balkanization
California, Oregon, and washington would control most of the trade to the rest of the states. They would stand the best chance of coming out relatively unscathed. Though if they would actually take advantage of that is another question entirely.
yeah, the people calling for balkanization WANT those chunks of America to wither, they just assume the chunk they live in won't be one of the losers. Critical thinking skills are not taught in American schools.
yeah, the people calling for balkanization WANT those chunks of America to wither
No, I want America's global hegemony to die.
Me too, the difference being that CHUDs who want that assume they'll be immune. Somehow.
They have a wall in their garage add-on with 15 impractically high caliber handguns and collectors rifles, guaranteeing their future access to all treats and necessities
When I try to engage other Americans on this topic, they all seem to be infected with a somewhat unique American brainworm that "everything will work out in the end". They'll say things like "OK sure prices will go way up and the economy will collapse without dollar hegemony... but that's just in the short term. We're Americans, we'll get it all sorted out". If they're conservative they'll add something about how less regulations or whatever and unfettered capitalism will allow us to recover quickly.
IMO, this idea that "everything will work out OK in the end" is caused by the unique situation that materially, for white Americans, everything sorta has worked out in their favor for the last 400 years. And American media heavily reinforces this idea. Try to imagine an American show or movie where things don't work out for the protagonists eventually. This isn't even a conspiracy or anything, just your regular ol' base informing the superstructure.
IMO, this idea that “everything will work out OK in the end” is caused by the unique situation that materially, for white Americans, everything sorta has worked out in their favor for the last 400 years.
There are deep roots to this in American protestantism. I can not tell you how many times I have had constructive conversations shut down because "Well if I'm dying and going to heaven does that really matter?" It's a similar sentiment. It's not just a saccharin optimism, it's an optimism that comes from perceiving yourself as/being part of The Elect (see: Prosperity Gospel here as well.)
Is this why western test audiences get really annoyed at movies with tragic or even just ambiguous endings?
"I will not sit idly by!", I say right before I proceed to have the most idle sit of my life :sleepi:
“It’s about state rights” mfs when the rights are about anything other than owning a person
Is Texas trying to go after Washington specifically, or is WA just announcing a hell no for any future efforts?
EDIT found it - WA is stocking up on abortion pills.
But Washington is stocking up, which would mean they plan on defying the federal government :sicko-yes:
I still don't understand how this works. Don't federal judges rule over circuits? How does a federal judge in Texas force the FDA to stop allowing medicine nationally instead of just within whatever circuit Texas in in?
So then the ruling does not actually affect the rest of the country (yet)? The FDA would only have to change its rule for the place under his jurisdiction unless a circuit or supreme court expands that? Or is there some weird thing in the FDA bylines that says any judge can force you to stop allowing a drug nationwide?
Lmao so they really set it up so a random low level judge can destroy the national FDA? Federalism delende est. What if a state judge elsewhere rules the FDA must allow the drug? Does the FDA get to choose who to listen to until a higher court inevitably says something?
American liberals will be cowed back into subservience as soon as a Republican is President.
DeSantis's DOJ attack dogs will eviscerate every politician left of John McCain still holding office in 2025.
The DC power establishment doesn't answer to the people, and definitely doesn't answer to the MAGA wing of Republicans. The DOJ's function at the moment is just like any other garden-variety corrupt shithole: to arrest threats to the power structure. The FBI has no more legitimacy than the Papa Doc's Tonton Macutes.
American liberals will be cowed back into subservience as soon as a Republican is President.
I don't see how you can think this given what happened last time Trump held power. They were significantly more active and effective for progress in opposition than they have been while actually in power.
Maybe they'll be weaker if Desantis is in power instead of Trump? They don't seem to mind Desantis much as the imperial project is in safe hands with him.
I don’t see how you can think this given what happened last time Trump held power.
I don't see how you can't. Trump got everything he wanted. His only real check was which cabinet official got tapped to whisper in his ear. Liberal opposition was entirely rhetorical. Lots of screaming and nashing of teeth, but nobody actually checked his executive actions.
on the one hand the collapse of the american empire due to balkanization would take the imperial boot off of billions of people's necks
on the other hand i live here and looking at the Balkans it's not going to be pretty
Then maybe the rest of the planet will get to actually do something without having to tiptoe around the American neoliberals, yeah.
If we're following the Fallout timeline, this just means the federal government is just going to smoosh all 50 states down into a more manageable 13 super-states
more manageable 13 super-states
would that be less or more of a kafkian nightmare every election because i feel like it could go either way
Well, remember that the U.S government in Fallout was even more openly fascistic than in the real world, so yeah
broke: the US will never Balkanize
woke: the US will Balkanize any minute now!
bespoke: the US is already Balkanized
Texas is one of the States I'm most afraid of splitting off, because there's a huge nuclear weapon manufacturing facility in Texas. Great idea for a location, in the state that has been talking about seceding for 150 years
Probably longer since it delayed joining the union so that it could keep its slaves
