[ableism]
Yeah I'd like to know how to reach these people too.
So many times I've met autistic people who call themselves the R slur and shit on other autistic people in a desperate attempt to be accepted by assholes.
Literally had a guy say to me and my coworkers once "I mean, I'm autistic, but don't worry I'm not a sp*z" :doomer:
Yeah, a lot of autistic people absolutely hate themselves. I used to be one of them.
Yeah, it's a defense mechanism which is what makes it so fucking heartbreaking because I know I've done that shit to myself in the past too with my ADHD
Even on the low end of the scale, there's so many things you just miss every day and nt folks give you shit for it. Especially if you pass on 90% of things and just don't get something, they see you as just an asshole.
I had something at work happen in a recruiting event where a NT coworker did not understand what neurodiverse was at a ND table and I was so annoyed and embarrassed because I realized I was able to communicate with these folks so much better than I could with this coworker.
I started to be louder about it at work, mentioning it more often to cement in people's mind that yeah, I'm a bit odd, that this shit is real and if you're fucking recruiting for a STEM job, you need to fuckin do better.
It’s saddening how many people, especially trans people, call themselves d-word-popularized-by-nazis, for example.
Wait until you come across trans 4chan users (can't use the label they call themselves due to the wordfilter) who constantly invent new types of hon. These people are completely breaking their own brains and giving themselves giga dysphoria and i have no idea how you could reach them. I know i certainly won't try to reach them, it's active self harm for other trans people to be around them.
Contrapoints (yeah, I know) argued that the trans people on 4chan actively engage in this kind of self harm specifically because it hurts. Because calling themselves hons and other shit hurts, it makes them feel like it's real and true.
Through this roundabout way, they feel like the pain protects them because at least they aren't delusional like those other trans people.
I don't know.
Recently, the fighting game community has really picked up on the word d*generate to describe in-game behaviors that would previously have been described as "gimmicky" or "cheesey"
It's like a foghorn blaring every time I hear it. I have no idea how to bring it up without seeming like a lunatic. "Hey, actually, that slang that you and everyone else are using is a Nazi word"
"D-generate play" has been in use in the board game community for a long time. It means not playing the game according to the designer's intent, but attempting to exploit the rules for the sake of ruining the game for everyone else. Here's a good thread about it. Most people probably became aware of the term from Magic: The Gathering in the 90s. For example, a "d-generate deck" consisting of nothing but mountains and lightning bolts. The term was adopted from mathematics where it means "mathematically simpler", as in a d-generate parabola. Or the matter inside a neutron star is d-generate matter, atoms stripped of their electrons.
yeah this larger discussion has big "the word 'robot' comes from some language's word for slave" energy for me.
why are we ultra enough for removed but not for robot? it's not an active part of my vocabulary since i don't do math anymore, so whatever, but it seems really arbitrary. I've seen libs go after "lame" that wouldn't know about d*gen
The word robot comes from a very explicitly socialist Czech play. It wasn't meant in earnest to denigrate anyone, and the word means something more like serf than slave. It can also mean exhausting, hard labor. It's a good play too, where the robots eventually revolt and overthrow mankind for enslaving them.
I'd more closely compare d*gen to how reactionaries use words like savage, or r-t-rd, or any other ableist terms
That's interesting. I certainly didn't know the math origin of that term.
I definitely didn't think it was invented in the FGC, but I know that it's no coincidence that it's spike in use runs parallel to actual reactionaries using it to describe trans people in particular.
For example, a “d-generate deck” consisting of nothing but mountains and lightning bolts. The term was adopted from mathematics where it means “mathematically simpler”, as in a d-generate parabola.
This was always my understanding of the term, as well, and it's the only context in which I continue to use the word. I casually understand "d-generate gameplay" as something that circumvents the game's mechanics, producing strong, simplified play, that's also significantly less fun / more annoying.
On the one hand, reclaiming slurs is a thing.
On the other hand, bigots love to claim "irony" as a Trojan Horse to normalize their vocabulary and ideas.
It's a minefield, that's for sure.
I feel like very little people know that this slur has origins from Nazi's eugenics program tbh
For Zoomers and Gen Alphas, it was just a word we learned from the internet
d-word-popularized-by-nazis
I can't figure out what word this is suppose to be, all I can think of is "removed" but that's not a slur and has relatively common non-fascist usage.
Looks like autofilter gotcha, but I believe your guess is correct.
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Sorry about the wrecker tho. Did some reporting to mods, but looks like you're taking it in stride. Carry on, comradee!
Sure, but no one is calling each other a "degenerat" in a friendly manner nor is it a catch-all term like n---ga. It's usually in a self-deprecating manner to describe a behavior that is not accepted by the mainstream
don't do it online but I reclaim self-referential slurs around friends. That said it's mostly been eclipsed by the use of the funniest slur, "kittypet" (warrior cat term for a housecat)
if you're a majority (e.g. whiter, male, more cis, etc.) relative to a person of minority saying "their" slur, it's like a trap card (i've never played yugi magic). No matter how right you are, even if you are 100% correct and it's very obvious, you'll open yourself wide to be accused of being condescending/talking down/whitesplaining/savior complex/running a plantation.
IMO just don't do it.
Good. I'm suggesting rather than trying to "reach" them you continue letting them call themselves whatever they want.
You don't cure self hatred by "reaching out" to people. You can explain to them every reason why it's irrational and against their interests, and they might even agree with everything thing you say, but it's an irrational belief for a reason.
This is real grooming, and while I have not stepped into this space as of yet I suspect you'll need to examine the methods of helping victims of abuse. That's what they are.
Apergers is in a similar situation, but it’s not acceptable to use as a self-descriptor because it’s original Nazi usage was to actually put people who were labelled with it above other autistic people. So self-identifying as having apergers is like identifying as Aryan.
As someone with aspergers, I have never heard of this and would absolutely not take someone identifying that way as anything similar to identifying as aryan
One of the problems with engaging this is that it's usually in a space where when you do engage all the righties will group together and provide reinforcement to the person self-using it. That group reinforcement is hard to break and it feels like "community" to the recipient which in this atomised individualistic culture is something that people long for.
Usually however these groups break up when something horrible happens in them. Those breaking points tend to force the people involved to then find new ways to spend the parts of their days that were previously dedicated to those spaces and moving to a space where that behaviour is not common usually makes them find new ways to speak.
The only acceptable use of that word is talking about things like a degenerated workers' state.
seriously considering killing yourself and everyone around you who is like you
Join Date: Apr 09, 2023
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seriously considering killing yourself and everyone around you who is like you
You heard him, it's time to go full mayocide
aktually, you just hate yourself and you need a dose of my white mans savior complex, stop saying the n word in those raps and pull up your jeans bucko
99% of black people don’t call each other or themselves the hard R, especially to be accepted by white people, which is what OP is suggesting here when he refers to minorities calling themselves derogatory names in order to be accepted. You’re either out of touch with your own community or a white guy larping as a black person. Or you can't read (despite accusing OP of the same) and think he unironically believes the Chris Rock bit as a white guy
