It's usually done as a strategy to try to fit in, to be "one of the good ones," or sometimes just self loathing given a signal boost by chuds in the same community.
It's saddening how many people, especially trans people, call themselves d-word-popularized-by-nazis, for example. Or marginalized ethnic group members that use the very slurs that are used to justify putting people like them into camps.
It's fucked up, but I am often at a loss for how to reach those people, or if such a thing is even possible. :doomer:
EDIT: It seems this is important enough to :freeze-gamer: that alt accounts must be mustered to rage at me about it. :jokah-messy:
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Yeah I'd like to know how to reach these people too.
So many times I've met autistic people who call themselves the R slur and shit on other autistic people in a desperate attempt to be accepted by assholes.
Literally had a guy say to me and my coworkers once "I mean, I'm autistic, but don't worry I'm not a sp*z" :doomer:
Yeah, a lot of autistic people absolutely hate themselves. I used to be one of them.
Yeah, it's a defense mechanism which is what makes it so fucking heartbreaking because I know I've done that shit to myself in the past too with my ADHD
Even on the low end of the scale, there's so many things you just miss every day and nt folks give you shit for it. Especially if you pass on 90% of things and just don't get something, they see you as just an asshole.
I had something at work happen in a recruiting event where a NT coworker did not understand what neurodiverse was at a ND table and I was so annoyed and embarrassed because I realized I was able to communicate with these folks so much better than I could with this coworker.
I started to be louder about it at work, mentioning it more often to cement in people's mind that yeah, I'm a bit odd, that this shit is real and if you're fucking recruiting for a STEM job, you need to fuckin do better.
It’s saddening how many people, especially trans people, call themselves d-word-popularized-by-nazis, for example.
Wait until you come across trans 4chan users (can't use the label they call themselves due to the wordfilter) who constantly invent new types of hon. These people are completely breaking their own brains and giving themselves giga dysphoria and i have no idea how you could reach them. I know i certainly won't try to reach them, it's active self harm for other trans people to be around them.
Contrapoints (yeah, I know) argued that the trans people on 4chan actively engage in this kind of self harm specifically because it hurts. Because calling themselves hons and other shit hurts, it makes them feel like it's real and true.
Through this roundabout way, they feel like the pain protects them because at least they aren't delusional like those other trans people.
I don't know.
Recently, the fighting game community has really picked up on the word d*generate to describe in-game behaviors that would previously have been described as "gimmicky" or "cheesey"
It's like a foghorn blaring every time I hear it. I have no idea how to bring it up without seeming like a lunatic. "Hey, actually, that slang that you and everyone else are using is a Nazi word"
"D-generate play" has been in use in the board game community for a long time. It means not playing the game according to the designer's intent, but attempting to exploit the rules for the sake of ruining the game for everyone else. Here's a good thread about it. Most people probably became aware of the term from Magic: The Gathering in the 90s. For example, a "d-generate deck" consisting of nothing but mountains and lightning bolts. The term was adopted from mathematics where it means "mathematically simpler", as in a d-generate parabola. Or the matter inside a neutron star is d-generate matter, atoms stripped of their electrons.
yeah this larger discussion has big "the word 'robot' comes from some language's word for slave" energy for me.
why are we ultra enough for removed but not for robot? it's not an active part of my vocabulary since i don't do math anymore, so whatever, but it seems really arbitrary. I've seen libs go after "lame" that wouldn't know about d*gen
The word robot comes from a very explicitly socialist Czech play. It wasn't meant in earnest to denigrate anyone, and the word means something more like serf than slave. It can also mean exhausting, hard labor. It's a good play too, where the robots eventually revolt and overthrow mankind for enslaving them.
I'd more closely compare d*gen to how reactionaries use words like savage, or r-t-rd, or any other ableist terms
That's interesting. I certainly didn't know the math origin of that term.
I definitely didn't think it was invented in the FGC, but I know that it's no coincidence that it's spike in use runs parallel to actual reactionaries using it to describe trans people in particular.
For example, a “d-generate deck” consisting of nothing but mountains and lightning bolts. The term was adopted from mathematics where it means “mathematically simpler”, as in a d-generate parabola.
This was always my understanding of the term, as well, and it's the only context in which I continue to use the word. I casually understand "d-generate gameplay" as something that circumvents the game's mechanics, producing strong, simplified play, that's also significantly less fun / more annoying.
It's bad enough when it's used casually.
It's even worse when the chat topic is already trans panic and chuds fantasizing about murdering d-slurs.
On the one hand, reclaiming slurs is a thing.
On the other hand, bigots love to claim "irony" as a Trojan Horse to normalize their vocabulary and ideas.
It's a minefield, that's for sure.
I haven't yet convincingly seen the nazi d-slur being reclaimed in any way, and perhaps maybe it shouldn't be.
I feel like very little people know that this slur has origins from Nazi's eugenics program tbh
For Zoomers and Gen Alphas, it was just a word we learned from the internet
The associations are made fresh with each "d-slurs like you belong on a cross" Caesar's Legion LARP post on game chat. :scared-fash:
d-word-popularized-by-nazis
I can't figure out what word this is suppose to be, all I can think of is "removed" but that's not a slur and has relatively common non-fascist usage.
Looks like autofilter gotcha, but I believe your guess is correct.
When it's used it often has the hatred and wish for mass murder built right in, especially when :freeze-gamer: uses it to quote Caesar's Legion from Fallout New Vegas. Which was the context of me making this thread, when someone then added "d-slur here. But I don't do (scary too trans things)" :doomer:
:yea:
Sorry about the wrecker tho. Did some reporting to mods, but looks like you're taking it in stride. Carry on, comradee!
Did some reporting to mods, but looks like you’re taking it in stride.
It helps that I've interacted with this particular wrecker before. The style is unmistakable. It's nothing new and it even gives me a little nostalgia.
Carry on, comradee!
I will :sicko-wholesome:
Sure, but no one is calling each other a "degenerat" in a friendly manner nor is it a catch-all term like n---ga. It's usually in a self-deprecating manner to describe a behavior that is not accepted by the mainstream
if you're a majority (e.g. whiter, male, more cis, etc.) relative to a person of minority saying "their" slur, it's like a trap card (i've never played yugi magic). No matter how right you are, even if you are 100% correct and it's very obvious, you'll open yourself wide to be accused of being condescending/talking down/whitesplaining/savior complex/running a plantation.
IMO just don't do it.
I don't do it.
I do kind of wish I could do something, but at present I don't.
No matter how right you are, even if you are 100% correct and it’s very obvious, you’ll open yourself wide to be accused of being condescending/talking down/whitesplaining/savior complex/running a plantation.
And some :freeze-gamer: are very defensive about the le funny slur word usage, especially when "the good ones" use it to amuse and please them.
Look at this thread. OrganizeOrDie was so full of righteous nazbol rage that they made a new alt account just to wish me a violent death, 4chan greentext style. :frothingfash:
don't do it online but I reclaim self-referential slurs around friends. That said it's mostly been eclipsed by the use of the funniest slur, "kittypet" (warrior cat term for a housecat)
I do.
I'm just worried about what may happen to them regarding their relationship with their dubious friends.
Good. I'm suggesting rather than trying to "reach" them you continue letting them call themselves whatever they want.
That doesn't really sound like a convincing longterm strategy overall if applied broadly.
Just let a culture of hate and marginalization continue because some people adapt by buddying up with nazis.
Just let those exploited workers continue punching in for Amazon and stop trying to "reach" them and so on and so on.
I did hear your opinion but I don't have to fully agree with it.
You don't cure self hatred by "reaching out" to people. You can explain to them every reason why it's irrational and against their interests, and they might even agree with everything thing you say, but it's an irrational belief for a reason.
This is real grooming, and while I have not stepped into this space as of yet I suspect you'll need to examine the methods of helping victims of abuse. That's what they are.
Apergers is in a similar situation, but it’s not acceptable to use as a self-descriptor because it’s original Nazi usage was to actually put people who were labelled with it above other autistic people. So self-identifying as having apergers is like identifying as Aryan.
As someone with aspergers, I have never heard of this and would absolutely not take someone identifying that way as anything similar to identifying as aryan
I technically already do that; I don't engage when I see it, even if I sort of wished I had a reliable way to do so.
Still, if I didn't post about it, I wouldn't have lured in a nazbol clown to make a fresh alt just to projectile vomit all over this thread. Free entertainment. :frothingfash:
One of the problems with engaging this is that it's usually in a space where when you do engage all the righties will group together and provide reinforcement to the person self-using it. That group reinforcement is hard to break and it feels like "community" to the recipient which in this atomised individualistic culture is something that people long for.
Usually however these groups break up when something horrible happens in them. Those breaking points tend to force the people involved to then find new ways to spend the parts of their days that were previously dedicated to those spaces and moving to a space where that behaviour is not common usually makes them find new ways to speak.
The only acceptable use of that word is talking about things like a degenerated workers' state.
seriously considering killing yourself and everyone around you who is like you
Join Date: Apr 09, 2023
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It's yet another "OrganizeOrDie" nazbol alt account. They're back! :frothingfash:
a group of people decide collectively to re-appropriate a word that they have intimate understanding of the history and impact on them
That's not the context of when I saw it.
It was MAGA chuds in a video game chat talking about d-slurs and how they wanted to hurt them.
And a self-described "d-slur here" agreed that the other "d-slurs" had it coming for going too far.
I won't even humor your last line with a response except to say you've dropped your mask.
EDIT: Hey look, "OrganizeOrDie" has a new alt account! And the latest LARP has urban flavor straight outta 4chan greentext! :lmayo:
You made a new account just to :frothingfash: about this in particular?
Clearly it must matter a lot to you because you are thinking and talking like those aforementioned :freeze-gamer: edgelords, up to and including violent death fantasies. :cringe:
You already claimed this is a dead site yet you made a new account here just to :frothingfash: at me.
I assume you're "one of the good ones" and try very hard to please leopards that eat faces while doing charitable work for the Leopards Eating Faces Party. :galaxy-brain:
EDIT: I assumed wrong. It's "OrganizeOrDie" LARPing as being From Da Hood with the help of 4chan greentext. :lmayo:
Why would you think it's likely to find a random black person minding their own business who would instantly escalate to violence when they're told the n-word is bad? Do you think regular people are just itching to start throwing hands at the first white idiot that talks to them? You sound insecure
Why would you think it’s likely to find a random black person minding their own business who would instantly escalate to violence when they’re told the n-word is bad?
Because OrganizeOrDie was prepared to LARP as being From Da Hood on this latest alt after reading a lot of 4chan greentext.
Your internet tough guy LARPing game is weak.
I mean that's no surprise for someone with nazbol :brainworms: but you really should have taped that mask on first.
See you next alt! :mao-wave:
I was almost entirely talking about transphobia and nazi slurs related to it, but you came in here with a pre-manufactured 4chan greentext persona to go with your latest wrecker alt account.
That :frothingfash: at the bottom dropped another mask. Hi there, "OrganizeOrDie" :mao-wave:
I like that
I stopped reading there and started laughing.
:reddit-logo: "IM NOT MAD IM NOT MAD IM ACTUALLY AMUSED" tactics probably aren't popular In Da Hood. Update your 4chan greentext and LARP again. :the-more-you-know:
You're very emotionally invested in Epic G!mer Words, aren't you?
What are you even doing here, besides the obvious? Aren't you supposed to be organizing and being some Haz-style fantastical nazbol superbeing?
Your heroic struggle against the inferiors that you fantasize about murdering and burying in mass graves is being delayed by this two hour long tantrum of yours.
You have very important work to do, comrade! :sus-soviet:
pretending that someone more closely followed the 4chan greentext fantasy story that brought you here, yeah, that'll stick it to 'em!
:cringe:
The nazbol supersoldier is wasting precious time on this dead forum instead of murdering undesirables for a few hours.
By keeping them here, I'm doing my part! :im-doing-my-part:
Is there a goal to your ongoing tantrum?
It's clearly not organizing anyone. And you have so many confirmed kills left to accumulate. :frothingfash:
Oh, they got me organizing alright
Organizing my popcorn bowl :popcorn-time:
I’m simply conveying the reality that if you ever leave your basement and ever join an org or work irl(we both know you won’t, you are going to die being an irrelevant poster on some shithole forum with 300 other dead ends like you) that your line of thinking will quickly get your shit rocked if you open your mouth around any of the people I know, you can cope and project and throw up whatever other reflexive terminally online terms you can come up with, but nothing is going to change this reality cumskin, enjoy posting every day on this website for the rest of your life until you change something
Long time no see, OrganizeOrDie! :mao-wave:
Here, let me remove another mask from you.
Free advice: don't use TOP KEK YIDDISH IS FUNNY cryptofascist dogwhistles on your next alt account.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4181689/jewish/What-Does-Oy-Gevalt-Mean.htm
seriously considering killing yourself and everyone around you who is like you
You heard him, it's time to go full mayocide
aktually, you just hate yourself and you need a dose of my white mans savior complex, stop saying the n word in those raps and pull up your jeans bucko
99% of black people don’t call each other or themselves the hard R, especially to be accepted by white people, which is what OP is suggesting here when he refers to minorities calling themselves derogatory names in order to be accepted. You’re either out of touch with your own community or a white guy larping as a black person. Or you can't read (despite accusing OP of the same) and think he unironically believes the Chris Rock bit as a white guy
