I don't see any good future for my current country(India) due to many different problems.
I don't have any motivation to continue living in this country and want to move to a developed country to have a decent Quality of Life at least. I am considering some countries in Europe because they align with what I want for a better QoL.
I am blacklisting war torn countries like the US. Also east Asia is lower priority because the work culture is as shit as India.
What country should I try to move to?
The “developing” world has the most cause for optimism I think; “developed” countries are at the apex of the exploitation pyramid but their star is falling
Disclaimer: Never been to any of these places, this is just from what I know from internet sources. I know I may be wrong about certain takes so take it as just casual conversation.
-Australia/NZ absolutely going to get fucked by climate change. People basicaly already forgot all about those forest fires. In a vaccum though seems decent. NZ seems very hard to actualy get into.
-UK/Scotland seems stupid but my thought would be get into the UK then find some way to get to Scotland, Edinburgh seems completely different from the rest of England. I could be wrong though.
-Canada because climate change is important to me so it seems they'll suffer a lot less, also a surprisingly straight forward immigration program if you fulfill the criteria. Again I could be wrong though.
-Some points about Japan.
1)western corporations have their own work culture, its not much different from elsewhere in the world. As a foreigner you also get "special" treatment, as bad as that sound, the boss wont look down on you for leaving on time etc. Yes its kind of shitty but what are you going to do? Certainly not volunteer to do unpaid overtime out of pity!
2)The Japanese economy necessitates foreigners due to the population crash, this is unavoidable, robots shit is just copium. Housing prices are supposed to crash in the future. You get decent first world health care(though shitty doctors) and extremely easy immigration favoring native English speakers.
3)The main thing about Japan is the xenophobia, yes you must have a thick skin, but these days the west in general isn't really looking that much better, but be prepared to have trouble renting a home or going to certain hotels etc specialy in the rural areas.
4)there is so much "foreigner in Japan" content on social media that you may find the novelty will wear out fast, but maybe that also means you can easily find answers to questions/problems you may have.
In the past I would consider Germany, Sweden, maybe France. Germany is overrated, Scandinavia is doing a fascism speedrun against immigrants and France I just don't know much about.
Edinburgh seems completely different from the rest of England. I could be wrong though.
lol, who told you that? the edinburgh tourism board?
I used to read the blog of a famous British lib.
Although you mention tourism, I think the majority of people never left their countries anyway, so unless you're talking to natives you'll just get a piece of that propaganda inevitably.
Japan is a decent option. I think that the government will start promoting immigration since the population decline will not really slow down. It'll be easy to pull in workers from poorer countries who will work like how native Japanese people do.
Aus is fucked, NZ is one of the few places that will remain somewhat habitable at 4C (which we are basically heading for now)
I'd rather avoid countries with at least 10 mass shootings occurring everyday.
Ireland is a decent option tho
Ireland isn't easy to immigrate to I would say. Its certainly possible but its one of the most expensive countries in the EU to live in, rents and the cost of living are through the roof. If you're looking at Dublin or any other Irish city as an immigrant, you'll need to have a high-paying job lined up for you. Its a bit more manageable to survive off of a minimum wage in the countryside, but opportunities will be limited and public transport is near non-existant.
I'm not trying to discourage you, and of course there is no country where its easy to be an immigrant, just letting you know the main obstacles. On the bright side, racism in Ireland is relatively low compared to Europe and the US, there's a growing working class movement and its pretty safe.
There are about 4 more murders per 100,000 people per year in the US than in India. The 24/7 news cycle here pumps up the most outrageous and sensational events to drive engagement and get ad dollars. A tiny, tiny fraction of all murders in the US, firearms or otherwise, are "mass shootings". Most of them are people killing or being killed in the course of petty crimes, and over 90% of them involve hand guns.
Yeah, it sucks here. Most people have heard gun shots in their city, sometimes pretty frequently. But the media presentation of gun violence in the US is a very deliberate, drastic distortion of what's actually happening to sell ad minutes.
I mean, you're still like 50% more likely to be murdered in the US than India, 3x more likely to be murdered in the US than in Canada, 5x more likely than in France, 8x more likely than in Germany, etc.
You just saved us all from having to read the classic 1954 informative book "How to lie with statistics".
God preserve us from the *maths some math* .00008% chance of being murdered in the US every year.
I'm just basing it off this, if you have reason to say these statistics are wrong I'll hear it out though
Germany - 0.0000093% chance of being murdered every year
USA - .00008%
It's a bigger number, but it's still a very small number.
I think you mathed wrong and added a couple zeroes, it's 6.5/100k which is 0.0065%
% chance of being murdered every year: 0.0065% for Americans, 0.0008% for Germans
In easier to read numbers: 1 in ~15,000 Americans killed a year, 1 in 125,000 Germans killed a year
Your chances of being killed across 70 years: 1 in 220 Americans, 1 in 1785 Germans
So there's about a half a percent chance the average American will be murdered in their life
If you still think that's something we should trivialize, think about the chance of knowing someone that got murdered. Let's say the average person has 20 close or relatively close friends/family members throughout their life: 1 in 11 Americans will know someone relatively close that got murdered in their life, compared to 1 in 90 Germans
I know someone who's had a couple friends killed, it's something that would shock white people who grew up in relatively decent areas. Ofc I don't agree with how the media fear mongers crime rates, because their only solution is to either bring more cops in or take guns away from marginalized people, but you can't deny crime is bad in many parts of the country. The American state loves to perpetuate crime in poor and black communities.
I think where you are specifically living in the US matters. Indians can only immigrate to the US for studies or work and will probably be in a safer area due to that.
If you consider air pollution and traffic violence I think moving out of Mumbai was the safer choice for me
Moving to the US from India is extremely difficult even if you wanted to due to the low number of visas relative to applicants. I've got a lot of friends who went from India to Canada to study.
My Indian coworkers who didn't get a US visa are shifting to the Canadian branch since work visas are also more attainable there.
Some freelance photographers I know are trying to go do remote work in Thailand
Canada has a point based immigration system, you get pretty much automatic permanent residency if you have an advanced stem degree, or experience in certain in-demand fields. Idk what the exact list is, but nursing and trucking are pretty much always on there.
Since I'm trans I've been considering leaving the USA. If I could snap my fingers and go anywhere I'd probably choose ireland or spain or somewhere in latin america. There are a lot of latin american countries that are steadily distancing themselves from the USA and social conservatism. I'd rather move to a country that I think has a chance of actually improving than one that is clearly getting worse, aka all of "the west."
I don't know whats best for you but it will probably depend on the job market you want to be in as much as anything else. I'd look for a place that your work is valued, where necessities are the lowest percentage of income, and that is improving. Racism is going to be a big deal for you and social conservatism might be too. I don't know much about racism in latin america but in Europe I'd say just go where there are existing communities that can support you.
Don't go to France they are super racist. For an Indian person England might not be a bad option as there are a lot of Indians already in the country so there is something of a community in place although that depends on region a bit. Also the British are by and large less racist than the rest of Europe
"the British are by and large less racist than the rest of Europe"
That's gonna be a yikes from me dog. What an incredibly low bar, and yet, Europe cannot clear it.
Yeah but the Americans are more racist still (maybe not more racist than France they are really bad for it and are also infamous for a "have at it" attitude to sexual harassment)
America has no equivalent to the way you can say "Roma" in Europe and immediately have thirty Nazis jump out of the cupboard to explain why Romani people need to be exterminated.
Based on several decades of observation I'd say America is very open about being racist, has huge minority populations against whom racism occurs, and has a very open and public dialogue about racism.
Europe, on the other hand, exterminated several large minorities in '45, has relatively small immigrant minorities, and as a matter of official policy refuses to acknowledge the hilarious amount of brutal systemic racism that occurs in most European countries.
Like yeah, of course Germany isn't racist - They successfully exterminated all the minorities they hated so there's no one left to be racist against, except the Turks, some of whom have families that have been in Germany for generations and are still denied citizenship.
France, obviously, hilariously racist.
All of Eastern Europe is experiencing a fascist resurgence.
The militarization of both the Med and the English Channel.
Greeks vs Turks vs Macedonians vs whatever other ethnic groups happen to be lying around.
Americans scream at each other about racism. Europeans calmly reassure each other that racism doesn't exist. Both groups are extremely racist.
Like yeah, of course Germany isn’t racist - They successfully exterminated all the minorities they hated so there’s no one left to be racist against
I mean I've been to a few parts of Germany and it was all racially diverse. Even in a super small town, it's not like you wouldn't see minorities everyday. I feel like Europe is also more religiously diverse in some ways, for example, 1 in 18 Germans are Muslim compared to 1 in 90 Americans
We might have different ideas of what "racially diverse" means. Germany is about 85% German. The US is about 60% white, 40% non-white. And that 60% "white" is a number of different white ethnic and cultural groups, which doesn't matter in some places and does matter in others.
Re: Religion Maybe? Germany has 1-2 million more Muslims than the US, but very few Jews. We also have considerably more flavors of Christians than Europe, and a lot of them are really, really, frighteningly weird.
Also, where you are matters a lot. Major cities on the coasts are far more ethnically diverse than the center of the country. Salt Lake City is 70% white, which I find suspiciously low. NYC is 30% white. Atlanta is about 50% white. Lincoln Nebraska is 88% white (lol). Los Angeles is 30% white, with 50% being Hispanic or Latino.
America is a very diverse place in the cities where all the economy, culture, and politics happen. My impression of Germany is that it's mostly just full of Germans with a smattering of Turks. Like Berlin is apparently 88% white, in line with one of the whitest major metropolitan areas in the US, if you can call Lincoln "Major".
Talking about the US as a single entity is often more misleading than not. California is the worlds sixth largest economy. Just California. New York State is the 10th. The US land mass is so big. Like I've gone on road trips from Minneapolis to Philadelphia, which is about the same as jumping in to a car in Berlin and driving to Minsk. And in the other direction, say, Minneapolis to LA, which is about 500mi further than driving from Paris to Moscow. There are a lot of very weird people along that 2,000 mi route.
My impression of Germany is that it’s mostly just full of Germans with a smattering of Turks. Like Berlin is apparently 88% white
I think you're looking at Berlin, Connecticut lol, the first thing that shows up when you google it
Germany doesn't have any official statistics on race. It's actually illegal to collect that there. But if you've been to Berlin there's no way could think it's 90% white, it's probably around 50-60% (which is more diverse than most of Germany of course)
Germany is about 85% German
I think that statistic is saying 85% of Germans are German born rather than talking about ethnicity. Like, ~15% of people in Germany are foreign born immigrants at the moment. That's the same number for America actually. 23% of Germany's population are immigrants or children of immigrants, so there's no way 85% of Germany is ethnically German.
Also, where you are matters a lot. Major cities on the coasts are far more ethnically diverse than the center of the country.
The same applies to European countries as well. European countries are smaller but pretty densely populated: take a 40 min car ride within Germany, France, wherever, and you can go from a super diverse area to a very white one. I am American btw.
Religion Maybe? Germany has 1-2 million more Muslims than the US, but very few Jews
Yeah that's why I said "in some ways," Islam is way more prevalent in Germany (5.5% vs 1.1%) and most of Europe but Judaism definitely isn't (0.15% vs 1.7%)
I'm not at all disagreeing the US is largely far more diverse, I'm just saying Germany has a good degree of diversity as well, and if you've ever been there there's no way you would say it's virtually absent of diversity aside from Turks. Implying "Germany isn't racist because not many of them interact with people of color on a daily basis" just isn't true, one because Germany does have racism problems (although probably better than most parts of Europe), two because poc are still everywhere
Was Germany overwhelmingly ethnically German for a few decades post-WWII? Definitely, diversity is a relatively new thing to Europe in general, especially with genocides of the past. But that's been changing pretty fast in the past few decades, especially since the early 2000's, so I don't think it's fair to say they're extremely white today. Hell the US was 87% white in 1980, 80% white in 1990, 75% in 2000, etc., and honestly that's probably where a lot of European countries are at the moment
Seriously, if you've ever been to Germany there's no way you'd be talking about it like it's virtually an ethnostate. On the other hand, a lot of Eastern European countries are basically ethnostates, and they tend to be far more ultranationalist and xenophobic than more diverse European countries. That's because diversity and exposure to minorities usually breeds tolerance, not the opposite. Poland and Hungary and modern sundown towns in the US are incredibly racist because people there don't see and interact with poc on a daily basis, so I also don't get the assumption that Germany theoretically not being racist would be due to it theoretically being incredibly white
Like yeah, of course Germany isn’t racist - They successfully exterminated all the minorities they hated so there’s no one left to be racist against, except the Turks, some of whom have families that have been in Germany for generations and are still denied citizenship.
Brings to mind that Emo Philips bit about his friend from Berlin complaining that you can't get a good bagel anywhere over there.
Anti-Roma racism in my experience tends to manifest as paternalistic and dismissive or accusatory. The kind of person who would call for extermination is also the kind of person to tattoo a swastica on their forehead. Have you been to Europe or are you rellying on information from the internet and stereotypes
it's probably because the brits have a history of colonizing india that they're forced to contend with
just found out britain was a colonial empire... damn that shit sucks man
When Britain sees a beautiful land filled with people living happy and healthy lives :british-maw:
All european countries are super racist in a sense. Atleast I have respect for the French people which is something I cannot say about the British.
I think your respect for the French might come largely from the fact you can't understand French media and journalism
well when for example French newspapers depict the presence of Arab immigrants as a threat to national security you won't see it because you don't speak French
No they had actual generals talking about how it could result in civil war that is not usual for a European country. French society is racist in the same way as 19th century Europe in that they regard immigration as an inherent threat to the fabric of their society and culture
What others have said, but also the French still very much have and rely on their colonial empire in West Africa and that deeply colours their viewpoint.
It's hard to remember, especially given it's all nominally independent and the French took a massive L in Algeria and SE Asia (excepting New Caledonia)
the British are by and large less racist than the rest of Europe
Citation extremely needed. The British are very racist. Proportionally, their record for taking in refugees is one of the lowest in Europe (and not due to a lack of people trying).
I live in Europe and am thinking about leaving because of the way things are going here. I'd at least recommend picking the right European country and not one of the wrong ones (e.g. UK)
How about France or Spain? I had Germany in mind previously but they committed economic suicide.
I had Germany in mind previously but they committed economic suicide.
Not really. Things are on a downturn, but it is hardly catastrophic. Beyond prices going up, not much has changed. Unemployment rose lightly, but it is still low.
Maybe things will turn for the worse in a few years (such as the 2008 crisis in Italy began to be felt strongly around 2011 from my experience), but for now it's still probably a safe bet. Just do not expect El Dorado and know that the period of learning the language, getting used to the bureaucracy, etc. is rough.
Germany has actual potential unlike the UK at least. But it's too early to see if there's a chance they'll go back on the American simping. IDK, there's no right answers IMO.
Germany has actual potential unlike the UK at least.
You severely overestimate Germany.
Yes, but the next German elections will be won by the CDU, with Black Rock employee and Reaganite Friedrich Merz as its chancellor candidate, while the AfD has overtaken the Green Party in the latest polls, slowly approaching 20% of the vote.
Germany has simply bought itself time through imperialising the European South in the 2010s.
Hm fair
We just went down the route of the Tories becoming the proud fascists, couldn't be bothered with a new party for them
Well, the CDU is on a rightward shift after Merkel left and Laschet pulled a Hillary.
istg if germany does the same fucking thing AGAIN-
Not sure currently but isn't Spain economically depressed? Could try and work at Mondragon or something though, that's be cool
If Germany goes down, france and spain will as well lol. Maybe like Switzerland or Ireland?
Switzerland has had the far-right in power for the last 20 years.
It's unlikely they'll go authoritarian, but you can certainly expect lots of racism, traditionalism, sexism, harassment, etc. from the locals.
Otoh, 25% of the population are immigrants, so odds are you'd stick around them.
25% of the population are immigrants
Most of those "immigrants" are people who are only immigrants because of the way the borders of nation states were drawn when the borders firmed up. Can you really call someone an immigrant when they speak the same language and have the same ethnicity and just happened to live on the other side of an arbitrary line on a map?
Good point. Otoh I've been there and the dialects become mutually unintelligible inside 2km of the German-Swiss border. I to this day have no idea what the hotel keeper in Stein am Rhein was saying to me.
ive heard good things about the netherlands from some indian immigrants. my choice would be ireland because im pale as a ghost and the sun is my greatest enemy
You could look into the UK, there is a large Indian diaspora community there. And if you know English you already know the language and can fit in easier into the culture I guess. Another country would be Canada, I know their immigration points system can be favourable if you have an in demand job or qualification. You could also try US states that have decent gun control maybe, but getting a visa is very difficult and can leave you stuck at a job.
If you're able to get a very high paying job, maybe South Africa, especially Durban (large local Indian community with its own culture), Cape Town or Johannesburg/Pretoria. I would advise against it as South Africa is doing very, very badly at the moment, though with a high paying job you can buy your way out of most of the problems present in society and live a first world lifestyle with private healthcare, security, schools, your own solar electricity, etc. Cape Town is probably doing the best in the richer and upper class areas. I just mentioned it because I live here.
While the UK does have a decently sized Indian population, be aware it has become a significantly more xenophobic and openly racist place, especially since Brexit racist hate crimes have spiked. It wouldn't be my first choice.
I've met many teachers from India in China. You are correct that the work culture sucks, though.
You'll definitely have a very high quality of life.
Canada has a large Indian population and is one of the easier countries to get into
As a bonus, should fare quite well through climate change, comparatively.
well industrial crop farming has to die to beat climate change anyway. but that landscape might even be hard for regenerative practices
that landscape might even be hard for regenerative practices
The American midwest has like 20 feet of soil before you hit the water table.
In large parts of the North the water table is a few inches down, and the bedrock is just under that. There isn't soil to regenerate. The land was very literally scraped clean down to the bedrock by glaciers of unfathomable, continent shaping weight. Just a massive continent spanning grindstone pushing everything down in to the center of the continent, creating the rich agricultural lands of central North America.
Maybe there are techniques that can make that work, but they're going to be working with very harsh conditions, weird long-winter-short-summer seasons, and probably quite brutal winters unless the polar vortex completely disappears or something.
This video shows a guy who created a successful farm on laterite bedrock with only a few inches of soil. This sort of farming is one of the things that makes me hopeful for the future.
the shield is absolutely stunning though
Do not consider Canada. Our cost of living is exploding even faster than the US, and various provinces are racing to see who can privatize health care faster than each other.
and various provinces are racing to see who can privatize health care faster than each other.
yeah, that's what scares me most. I want people to wake the fuck up soon but I think they'll just turn to fascism
I hate it. I'm currently hedging my bets and got our family a sub to a shitty language app, so we can maybe learn some practical Mandarin. Maybe 10 years down the road, my kids can harvest the seeds I tried (really badly) to sow.
