Fraga said the industries that will be most impacted will be the farming industry, construction and hospitality.
This will be just as devastating for these industries as England's idea to get rid of Polish migrant workers. Shows that large parts of even established conservatives have become fully detached from material considerations. The ideology they used as a tool to control the masses now controls them.
if farmers would adapt to hiring students in their off hours like they did in the 70s they could adjust. But they just don't have the imagination to think outside the box they've been in all this time
Good luck with that, we could barely even keep our agriculture research teams staffed and plenty of students want research experience, especially if it’s paid. Farm work sucks ass though.
yeah that's why they need to adjust to be more like gig work which is how they used to do it
Lol where'd all my productive industry go? I thought real estate just has inherent value.
It’s amazing how thoroughly the democrats shit the bed in Florida. It used to be a swing state and now they have a psychotic right wing government on par with Texas
large scale, labor intensive agricultural enterprises be like
- "no one [with basic human rights and worker protections] wants to work anymore"
Florida is a big boy for vegetables, for which there isn't sufficient mechanization to sidestep labor like in corn/soy. california had caesar chavez and the UFW, which fought hard and won a lot. florida is in the sacrificed part of the country (Deep South) where labor organization is crushed in its crib, because a labor insurrection there has been the nightmare of capitalists since the 1600s. florida was the first state to adopt "right to work" model legislation in 1948. the number of pogroms against black communities in post-civil war era Florida has yet to be counted.
Florida will do what Georgia, Louisiana and other parts of the deep south already do for their large scale horticultural sectors: prison labor. this latest move is probably part of a play to break the nascent agricultural worker organizations in florida like the CIW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_Immokalee_Workers). if the retail giants aren't complaining publicly, then you can bet they're onboard.
construction and hospitality will have to figure something out, but those tomatoes, peppers, sweet potatoes, and onions will get picked.
We already use prison labor for agriculture here, but it’s definitely gonna expand. When I take one of the highways out of town I drive past a prison-slave-plantation
for sure. i just mean to say that labor can always be more degraded and we can never assume the fascists don't have a strategy. there is no floor for the social reproduction of labor. they will work prisoners to death and incarcerate more people, increase sentencing guidelines, etc.
prison agricultural labor will be the stick they threaten hospitality workers with: if you don't let the white family from ohio abuse you while you deliver their treats for sub minimum wage, you will be sent to the fields and worked for 10 cents an hour in store scrip until your body fails.
Oh 100% I wasn’t trying to detract just add to your point
I hate that this is plausible, and I hate that I don't see a way to stop it from coming to that, and I HATE that America will just sit there and take it.
Florida will do what Georgia, Louisiana and other parts of the deep south already do for their large scale horticultural sectors: prison labor.
IIRC that worked out pretty terribly in Alabama and other states that tried that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers
https://www.farmprogress.com/wheat/crops-rot-while-trump-led-immigration-backlash-idles-farm-work-142405
As a Hispanic person though the language around farmworkers as a commodity that libs argue they need them around to exploit for cheap vegetables makes me feel....depressed. Like the options in the two parties are either pogrom against farmworkers or continued exploitation and disenfranchisement.
It reminds me of discussion on the homeless where the two options are pogrom against the homeless or continued neglect and abuse.
Alabama may have fucked it up, but the Vidalia onion empire tests comfortably on prison labor. if a capital formation wants it bad enough, the state will make it work.
never forget the rural economy of the south and all it's law enforcement infrastructure was built around forced labor. the civil war was a changing of the guard, not a changing of social relations. today's state run prison farms are often literally old plantations (Angola).
no matter how terribly they are run, they come out ahead because the labor costs of these labor intensive enterprises are made insignificant. they can fuck up every year for decades because brokers can always import from LatAm markets under imperial control.
Seeing how migrant workers were treated while working at a greenhouse when I was 15 was a radicalization moment for me. It's funny, the vast majority of migrant workers were Ukrainians, and now they pretend to give a fuck about them. Laughable.
Trying to commiserate with you without saying something violent and I'm drawing a blank. But yeah, I've seen the same shit. Unironically live for vengeance if you can't think of other reasons some days
So people are now worried that without underpaid migrant farm labor, the work won't be done. But surely the free market will provide? Either kulaks pay more for farm labor, cutting profits or raising prices and thereby motivating mechanization, or American corporations can just buy their fruit from another state or country that uses cheap wage labor??
I think that’s exactly the answer. They haven’t thought it through that far and if you try to make them they just get mad
While the rank-and-file conservatives just assume the market will figure that out or unemployed Americans will take this, the higher ups always engineer the enforcement mechanisms and fines, at least in the past, to make it easier to manage farm labor. As long as there are places in South/Central America where things are really bleak, some sufficient number will still come to the US. You just have the added advantage for disciplining labor of having them deported if they try to stand up for themselves.
But now things are being pushed too far by the base for the original intent of these policies.
Thank you I tried to write this explanation but couldn’t word it well and gave up.
We used to have the cynics that didn’t believe the bile they were spewing, now we have the true believers raised on that bile.
To be fair, right now we have a labor shortage already and its in a workers class inteest to keep the wages high by not letting people in the country as it directly or indirect affects the most wretched of all commoditys.
This being said I don't think conservative types care or think about that line of thinking or logic primarily but we gotta be more nuanced then that because workers kinda have been abandoned for like 70 years, I just don't think waving away their concerns will be convincing Even to people who immigrated through the system and are left leaning.
But that's just my 2cents take it or leave it :vivian-shrug: :edgeworth-shrug:
I mean saltwater inundation would habe destroyed floridian agriculture eventually, might just speed it up and resettle the inhabitants in West Virginia or ohio or west Pennsylvania or something.
On one hand I agree. On the other hand, Florida.
In reality though, Florida will be fine unless they secede :sicko-hexbear: do it Ron.
Sure, yeah. Everyone. Sink Florida into the sea. But let them all starve first.
Oh, but not you, of course.
I do and I will say I’m looking forward to it sinking into the sea, I just want to get everyone out first. But I do hope that when I’m old I can take a boat out to see the underwater ruins of my childhood home and spit in the water
:agony:
Call for indiscriminate death = lib
Don’t call for indiscriminate death = lib
Everyone is a fucking lib
This has been a long time coming and I'm glad the right finally put their money where their mouth is. Maybe they will see the importance of the people who actually grow and pick our food. (Probably not)
There's an old meme that shows a white family saying grace over dinner. "Thank you Jesus for this food."
Then the lower panel shows a Mexican dude loading produce onto a truck bed with the caption "de nada."
I’m so excited for my grocery bill to double in price again just because
DerSturmerDeSantis couldn’t stop frothing at the mouth
