most vtubers just kinda make me uncomfortable. Even the ones that don't pretend to be children make my skin crawl.
I literally can't make it through a 10 sec clip of them acting like Homer Simpson dumb
I find the only tolerable ones are the subgenre of queer/furry/ND ones that use the Vtuber model as a mask rather than a personality, tbh
Yeah I think one of the most popular ones (CodeMiko) was a woman who didn't want to show her face so she developed the whole thing to just stream the digital avatar.
Why even go to the effort though for just an avatar? Streaming was a mistake.
It's the artificiality of "influencer" parasocial pretenses with additional layers of artificiality. It's a hard pass for me, even if it isn't kiddie-creepy.
If someone's using it to protect their identity or to express themselves outside of their corporal forms, I'm happy for them but I still probably won't watch.
Pretty sure there are Vtuber avatars covering every single anime waifu subcategory including "oneesan"
You'd would probably have a really hard time finding black or brown avatars though
Almost all of the popular ones are clearly, clearly coded as schoolgirls. Easily the most popular one was Pikamee and she was quite nearly a loli.
The target audience of the vast majority of anime are schoolboys so this shouldn't exactly be that surprising?
Of course there's a significant 20-40 incel audience as well which is pandered to. But given the largest market for anime is "shonen" (literally meaning young boys) I don't think it's a huge stretch to say this is probably the largest audience of vtubers as well.
The Disney channel isn't making shows with adults as the lead characters either. They're always teens because the target audience is teens.
Yeah I was teasing some people on reddit but realized that they're actually like 14-16 years old so it's not actually that weird for them to be watching a similar aged anime grill.
Disney generally isn't in the business of sexualising their underage protagonists with panty shots, revealing outfits and jiggle physics though
This'll be a merch thing. Disney's target is parents when it comes to merch sales, whereas the anime industry's merch sales come from the 20+ audience who spend a ridiculous amount on collectibles.
If Disney's merch sales were primarily coming not from parents but from oversexed incels things would change.
I'm still not used to the current thing where Disney are the good guys and get defended for not being harmful to society.
These are vtubers we're talking about. Evaluating serial shonen manga or whatever is a little bit different.
I think the biggest anime is technically Hello Kitty, but that's a little off topic.
Disney isn't selling figurines of schoolgirls with highly-detailed upskirts.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that the industry doesn't also knowingly pander to pedophiles. Just that the majority target audience actually is teen boys and that's the main reason that every character in every anime is also a teen.
These are vtubers we’re talking about. Evaluating serial shonen manga or whatever is a little bit different.
And, like, that still doesn't really justify the gratuitous sexualization of minors. Like, is getting teenage boys horny really such a deep societal need that it makes it more okay to depict teenage girls in such a sexualized way? I don't think those boys need the help, they'll get horny just fine on their own, and that has the added benefit of not flooding popular media with scantily-clad cartoon schoolgirls.
Not to dispute your general point, but I never got the impression she was anywhere near the most popular. Pretty well-known, sure (not an expert on vtubers though)
I'm just saying that every type of anime woman an otaku could have a boner for is represented somewhere
It was my understanding that she was, but maybe it was just that she was so much bigger than the other people within the company she was signed to. She's not the worst, there are others like Kurone or the shark girl or . . . well, genuinely most of the ones with any audience are schoolgirl coded. I've only seen a handful that aren't.
I like Korone, at least from the clips I've seen. It's very clearly an exaggerated goofy cartoon performance and she's not going for a horny angle. Wouldn't watch for like 8 hours at a time but it makes for fun clips and animations
Do you really think this is what I mean or are you just trying to be cute?
I got several replies of people bullshitting, so maybe you somehow convinced yourself of this
A lot of them just have huge comically wobbly boobs as a starting point, but past that... :biden-rember:
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It's all very silly
If the performance is fun and not wildly uncomfortable I can look past a certain amount of the stuff that you just kind of have to accept as ambient background radiation when you get as deep into anime shit territory as anime character streamers, such as questionably rigged models
You're allowed to like whatever, I don't give a shit, I'm just saying call a spade a spade
"if you like laughing at an adult woman puppeteer a generic anime girl while she acts like a cross between someones oba-chan and one of those late 2010s lets players while failing at sonic the hedgehog, that means you are a pedophile"
Bro I don't even watch vtubers, streams are too long I'd rather watch anime or tv. You on the other hand are implying that it's pedo shit based on muh vibes as if flat chested women with less than 2 brain cells don't exist irl.
Edit: just checked a Korone stream and would like to report she isn't flat chested, my bad, point still stands
Korone’s not really that horny at all
Her model is
nor a school girl.
Do adults look like that in your experience, minus the dog ears? Or do you think someone's only a schoolgirl if they're in a pleated skirt?
Her breasts are not abnormally large, she's showing a normal amount of skin, and neither the way she moves or is dressed is overtly sexual.
Her face looks youthful, but not like a 5 year old. I definitely know people with that kind of wide eyed expression in real life. Her clothes are also pretty normal, it's a dress and a sweater with some colorful decorations.
You had your slam dunk with Gura, and you could extend to Laplus if you wanted, but korone is just not that weird and isn't pedophilic.
You think gawr gura is sexualized? She could put some pants on but by animu standards she's a nun. Like she wears a giant shapeless shark hoody.
If someone's going for a pedophilia angle she would be, and her bikini outfit could make someone uncomfortable. But in general I agree with you.
Her model is
"if i get aroused at something that means everyone else gets aroused at it too"
I hate this bad faith bullshit that people immediately resort to. She has fucking jiggle physics!
"the anime girl wearing comfy nonsexual clothes, who has adult body proportions and significant sized bobs which jiggle in the wind, is clearly a schoolgirl because I've only watched highschool anime"
Pikamee is/was in the middle tier of VTubers who have made it (it remains to be seen where she'll stabilize with her new form). Looking at her YouTube stats, she pulled in the range of 1-2K concurrent viewers---most streamers would kill for that, of course, but it's still a far cry from the 10K+ concurrent viewers and crazy merch sales you see in the elite tier. There are hundreds of VTubers with her raw stats. I think it's more that she had one super viral clip near the beginning of the VTuber boom in 2020 and was one of the first big Japanese VTubers proficient in English, making her a "bridge" between the two communities and giving her outsize brand recognition.
No worries, the VTuber community is pretty isolated so it can be confusing if you're not already immersed (and even then my knowledge of the JP/corporate side of things is relatively shallow)
She had several models. Only one of them looked like a child as far as I could tell.
She wasn't sexualized. None of her models were. Also the person behind the voice, a woman, decided she was ok with it. Some weeb girls are ok with lolis and think they are cute in the way that people think puppies are cute and do not want to fuck them. But I still stay away from that shit.
Probably worth making a distinction between "moe", the hypercute smol animu girls, and loli which usually has a sexual connotation, coming explicitly from "Lolita"
In Japan Lolita is also the name of a fashion style ( very frilly dresses) so I think loli came from that and not the book. In English though it's probably referring to different things
Like in the anime Oshi No Ko there is one girl who is a bit taller than her senior at school, who she teasingly refers to as Loli-senpai
Off of the top of my head, the only VTubers with brown avatars I can think of are Ironmouse (Puerto Rican) who has a few models with tan toggles, Sylphy (German voice actress who is (half-something?)), and Scarle (half-Mexican, half-Filipino). Unless there's some super popular Nigerian VTuber or something that I just wouldn't have crossed paths with, I genuinely don't think there is a single prominent VTuber with a black avatar, although obviously black VTubers exist. It's hard enough being black in the anime community (see: anime nerds flipping their shit whenever a black person dares post cosplay photos), but I'd guess it's even worse in the VTuber community. Plus there's the added difficulty of finding an artist who will actually make you a black avatar and not just a generic anime avatar with dark skin.
Some of the vtuber agencies launched Indian branches with brown vtubers but I don't think they lasted long
I want to watch a vtuber whose persona is a chain-smoking short-tempered old woman with a whisky flask at the ready.
A vtuber that is a real character and not a waifu would be amusing. I've wondered about if anyone will do a "Nyarlethotep plays" where they are a horrible mass of mouths and tentacles holding a controller and playing, like, Rayman or something.
I'd unironically be more entertained by that than another creepy squealing moeblob.
Milfs are a distinctly leftist category. Schoolgirls exist as a fantasy for the right and here in my Ted talk I will...
It turns out that having your entirely normal and sensible world view vilified as ultra-satan makes you question a lot of social rules and norms
Porn brainworms are gaslighting grown-ass men into believing they have a milf fetish for liking women their own age whereas the generic normal preference for 40-something men is to to be with 20-something girls.
Me rubbing my hands together cackling "yes! Yes! The wall! They believe in the wall! Soon i shall have all the milfs to myself!" *villanous laughter*
any costume, any intricacy, any art style
and yet they're all indistinguishable
A lot of things seem indistinguishable from a distance, like the varieties of pasta or kinds of leftism.
Gawr gura is the only one i can remember because she has the shark outfit.
“Female gaze vtubers” sounds like a corner of TikTok I could get real sucked into
"im gonna take my horse to the old town road, im gonna ride till i cant no more"
Snuffy kind of reminds me of what Misato would sound like in a modern dub. So I guess there's that.
Or bangs are a mistake even in animation :shrug-outta-hecks:
i'm not especially bothered here but I'm super baked and I just wanna say I find the down bear emoji way more obnoxious than down votes and almost as obnoxious as bangs
This is my view towards all the "wall" shit. Like cool bro I guess I'll just date all the cool divorced moms then. Thank you for removing yourself from the dating pool.
