It's been said before but what does "fascist" even mean here, materially? That he clicks "like" on some shitty Hitler memes? It's all just consumer identity bullshit. It makes no difference if your a fascist or a neoliberal unless you're joining some White Power gang or the Chicago School or whatever. Posting isn't praxis, you're just a tool for neoliberalism and its fascist puppets no matter what you like to dress as in your cute little internet personas.
I don't think I agree? It makes a difference because action does not sprout out of thin air. It sprouts out of that bullshit first.
Look at all the manifesto murderers. Every single one of them was poisoned via the online shit you're saying doesn't matter. It matters because those people turn into the white power gang, they are a prerequisite that is being successfully met and eliminating that prerequisite is one step towards putting the genie back in the bottle.
Yeah online radicalization is 100% a real thing. It DOES have have an impact if you share "funny" racist memes online. Ironic racism is still racism and is used by white supremacists to infiltrate less political savy groups. Places like 4chan/reddit and twitter breed footsoldiers for fascism.
This is unironically why I try to be kind online. Yeah I can be grouchy sometimes. But it feels good to be nice instead of narcissistic even on a keyboard.
The thing is, while we call it "stochastic" terrorism, it's not really random on a causal level. Most internet fascists don't have the gumption to do shit like that and never will. Most of them aren't "at risk" of such behaviors except from a zoomed-out statistical perspective that doesn't really capture their specific circumstances. Most of the time these fuckers just do the same shit everyone else does in society, it's just a matter of how racist their anonymous rants about work are on Twitter. Beyond that, most of them are just temporarily maladjusted and will develope more self-regulation within the neoliberal framework as their shitty job beats them down and they conform to their work culture to avoid living as a human cockroach.
People who are too online like us find it very easy to make very alarming stories that put us at the heart of some grand struggle to stifle white supremacy, but it's not that different from the kabuki theater of electoralisn that libs occupy themselves with.
"Some believe that today the main battlefield is the internet. They are right, and the internet is at the forefront of the current ideological struggle." -
Because fascists don't just keep their fascist tendencies online. They'll discriminate against clients, customers, and interviewees at work. They'll cause harm to strangers of the oppressed groups they hate. They'll throw their coworkers under the bus for their own benefit just because they're queer or hispanic or muslim. They'll bully people online and make people feel unsafe
Being neoliberal doesn't preclude them from all but the last of those behaviors, it just changes some of how they phrase it. You think this fucker will be all that much less racist for listening to Destiny about how BLM should be shot up instead of whatever fascist saying the same?
Because words have meanings. His stance is very much like the existing stance of the neoliberal state. He's not calling for ethnic cleansing, he is just saying the protests which threaten property must be violently put down because, as a member of the propertied class, he views property as sacred. The racial dynamics of the protest are completely secondary to that basic sanctity of capital.
Fascism is for people who don't hate capitalists but aren't nearly as aggrieved on their behalf as liberals, so a racial or religious or other cultural mythology is added to motivate them to create a paramilitary basis for a takeover by forces who will do purging at least somewhat in accordance with that mythology.
because liberals have ideological reasons to want protestors dead and their reasons are different from those of fascists. it's important to keep track of the difference because you need different tools to fight each of them.
I'm gonna be real with you, I know nothing about Destiny and assumed it was for fascist reasons because I vaguely remember him being racist against black people
has been for years. he started the whole debatebro thing on twitch, and man is originally from his community. Hasan was briefly friends with him, Contrapoints went on his show repeatedly, etc., back when everyone thought he was just kind of new to the left.
It's been said before but what does "fascist" even mean here, materially? That he clicks "like" on some shitty Hitler memes? It's all just consumer identity bullshit. It makes no difference if your a fascist or a neoliberal unless you're joining some White Power gang or the Chicago School or whatever. Posting isn't praxis, you're just a tool for neoliberalism and its fascist puppets no matter what you like to dress as in your cute little internet personas.
I don't think I agree? It makes a difference because action does not sprout out of thin air. It sprouts out of that bullshit first.
Look at all the manifesto murderers. Every single one of them was poisoned via the online shit you're saying doesn't matter. It matters because those people turn into the white power gang, they are a prerequisite that is being successfully met and eliminating that prerequisite is one step towards putting the genie back in the bottle.
Yeah online radicalization is 100% a real thing. It DOES have have an impact if you share "funny" racist memes online. Ironic racism is still racism and is used by white supremacists to infiltrate less political savy groups. Places like 4chan/reddit and twitter breed footsoldiers for fascism.
This is unironically why I try to be kind online. Yeah I can be grouchy sometimes. But it feels good to be nice instead of narcissistic even on a keyboard.
The thing is, while we call it "stochastic" terrorism, it's not really random on a causal level. Most internet fascists don't have the gumption to do shit like that and never will. Most of them aren't "at risk" of such behaviors except from a zoomed-out statistical perspective that doesn't really capture their specific circumstances. Most of the time these fuckers just do the same shit everyone else does in society, it's just a matter of how racist their anonymous rants about work are on Twitter. Beyond that, most of them are just temporarily maladjusted and will develope more self-regulation within the neoliberal framework as their shitty job beats them down and they conform to their work culture to avoid living as a human cockroach.
People who are too online like us find it very easy to make very alarming stories that put us at the heart of some grand struggle to stifle white supremacy, but it's not that different from the kabuki theater of electoralisn that libs occupy themselves with.
"Some believe that today the main battlefield is the internet. They are right, and the internet is at the forefront of the current ideological struggle." -
Because fascists don't just keep their fascist tendencies online. They'll discriminate against clients, customers, and interviewees at work. They'll cause harm to strangers of the oppressed groups they hate. They'll throw their coworkers under the bus for their own benefit just because they're queer or hispanic or muslim. They'll bully people online and make people feel unsafe
Being neoliberal doesn't preclude them from all but the last of those behaviors, it just changes some of how they phrase it. You think this fucker will be all that much less racist for listening to Destiny about how BLM should be shot up instead of whatever fascist saying the same?
If Destiny is telling his massive audience that BLM should be shot up, why does that not make him a fascist?
Because words have meanings. His stance is very much like the existing stance of the neoliberal state. He's not calling for ethnic cleansing, he is just saying the protests which threaten property must be violently put down because, as a member of the propertied class, he views property as sacred. The racial dynamics of the protest are completely secondary to that basic sanctity of capital.
Fascism is for people who don't hate capitalists but aren't nearly as aggrieved on their behalf as liberals, so a racial or religious or other cultural mythology is added to motivate them to create a paramilitary basis for a takeover by forces who will do purging at least somewhat in accordance with that mythology.
Fair, I don't know anything about Destiny so I was just going off what you said about the BLM thing and totally thought it was just a racial issue
No worries, I think I'm just going through a Debord phase
because liberals have ideological reasons to want protestors dead and their reasons are different from those of fascists. it's important to keep track of the difference because you need different tools to fight each of them.
I'm gonna be real with you, I know nothing about Destiny and assumed it was for fascist reasons because I vaguely remember him being racist against black people
he's turbo liberal. he vocally puts the lie to liberal universalism. but he's definitely committed to liberalism as a project.
I thought this dude played video games and streamed them to teenage boys, is he a political commentator now?
has been for years. he started the whole debatebro thing on twitch, and
man is originally from his community. Hasan was briefly friends with him, Contrapoints went on his show repeatedly, etc., back when everyone thought he was just kind of new to the left.
Clown hammer man?
vaush
Thanks for the lore 🙏