It's all hatred against women to fuel male G*mers pipedream about hate fucking and murdering the opposite sex. yea Oh I'm sorry, these are "zombies" (also a stand in for immigrants) so it's permitted.

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    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      The zombie fad (I don't mean Romero-era, I mean the post 2000s shit) was a blank check for chuds to jerk it to power fantasies of murdering the others while being praised for being an alpha bro he-man because gun. I hated it and I'm glad it's on the wane.

      As a crushing blow to me this formulated in Resi 6 which was just super-charged with the racism and othering of african men as "savages" and had you playing a white roided out action hero with a gun. Sucked because I'm a big Capcom fan and I still can't wrap my head around that game. Not sure if it was just stupidity on the part of developers that have never visited africa nor lived in a society with african people or straight up racism.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        Japanese culture is notorious for racism against black people. Painted with a broad brush Japanese culture is notoriously xenophobic. You'll see similarly fucked depictions of Africans in a lot of anime. I assume Resident Evil 5 was Japanese racism and stereotypes towards Africans being expressed and not directly connected to the American Zombie Chud phenomena.

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        I dont won't to be an ass, but did you mean Resi 5? Also, while I agree with you overall, I will say the game could've worked if they leaned more into the colonization angle that's present in it. The main bad guy is a blonde white guy with a fetish for wearing black leather and making people "superior", iirc, all he's missing is a red armband. He's allied himself with a corporate white lady who's completely fine with his experimentation on the local people of the area her company has taken land from and built factories on, as well as morally bankrupt arms dealer Steve Buscemi.

        Hopefully, when they remake 5, they'll push that idea more into the mainplot instead of just finding it in optional notes through out the games. They can still have the notes to flesh it out a little, just have Wesker talk about how using a populace of "globally unimportant peoples" allowed them to carry out their experimentation with less concern of being noticed. Have Sheva talk more about her personal experiences while befriending Chris during the game, like what they did with Ashley ReRE 4. If they want to be a little more on the nose, they could have random bsaa members in the game express how "unhappy" they are to be in Africa.

        It has potential, but it depends on how willing they are to make chuds mad at them for being woke.

        Edit: also, please remove the huts and grass skirts section of the game. Like, just, why would you put that in there?

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            I actually played RE 5 again recently, after watching a Castle Super Beast episode featuring SphereHunter in it. A little ways through they mentioned it and said something about "grass skirts and huts", and I thought ,"It wasn't that bad was it?", and played it for a few hours. For awhile, it was just a worse version of RE 4: parasites, murder monsters, slightly better companion mechanic, 80's action hero character. Then I got to THAT part and I legit had my mouth hang open. It really was that bad, honestly.

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        I think it was 5 with the racist African depictions, not 6.

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        The Resi games were good before they became action games deeper-sadness

    • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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      Which I always found kinda sad when Carpenter, whether he meant it or not, made very good poignant statements against white hero syndrome in his first few zambooni movies

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          I think that's why he never stated it's what he meant (he seems to have a general disgust towards the consumptive habits of movie viewers in rejecting or destroying meaning in film), even though having your black hero getting killed by a white mob of hicks and cops in the fucking 70s is beyond fucking subtle unless you happen to be an alien that just arrived on Earth

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    Most zombie media to me has always struck me as reactionary, can't really think of a counter example. Zombies tend to get coded as a mob of minorities in the worst cases like that scene in World War Z perhaps the most fascist thing I've ever watched unexpectedly was the zombies making a pig pile to scale the wailing wall to attack the Jews and "the peaceful Palestinians who were just getting along" gee I wonder what the message was supposed to be there. Even when writers don't seem to be trying to code their zombies as a minority group they got a sort of painting the masses as "the mob" thing going for them that just doesn't vibe with me.

    EDIT: An older CoD has the zombies as Nazis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cmEZGbpnQ so I guess they're out there.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      Yeah, the only good zombie media I know of that doesn't stick zombies in the "savage horde" trope that's borderline racist is Romero's stuff.

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        Return of the Night of the Living Dead was basically a big shitpost about small business tyrants and the military industrial complex causing disaster through their own negligence and bloodlust. Its sequels weren't great but they also didn't really do the normal zombie thing: the second one has suburbanites turning on each other after the military botches the cleanup of the first movie and the third puts the zombies in the role of elite military bioweapons. The fourth and fifth are completely unrelated early 2000s b-movies about the military industrial complex trying to make elite shock troops out of zombies and something incoherent about drugs being made from the zombie serum for ??? reasons that were pretty much just a narrative excuse to have a horny rave sequence.

        I got drunk and watched some movie on netflix a few years ago, I think it was called Rezort or something like that, that was about refugees being literally dehumanized and commodified for private profit. It wasn't a particularly good movie, but it was a pretty scathing critique of the zombie genre in that the zombies were explicitly victims being put into a situation where park engineering rendered them harmless so rich freaks could hunt them for sport.

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        night of the living dead ending with the black guy being shot by the police is kinda hilarious.

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          For the time though it was pretty scathing, Romero's always been pretty conscious on racism and class issues and it shows in his zombie movies.

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        Never watched Romero movies, they were before my time. Good to know though.

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          They're great, and not just as zombie movies either, but you gotta respect that his films set the stage and the bar to clear for future generations of zombie media.

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      But they also made one of the protagonists a Nazi lol. I mean they made every faction of WWII and the Cold War protagonists, but still stupid

    • RebloodlicanDemocrip [any]
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      It does have very reactionary roots, although I think there's more to them than something just being borne out of reactionary views.

      As a plot device it can set up and be explained by a lot of scenarios. A lot of its cultural endurance probably is down to it being an interesting scenario, and a scenario that's very easy for people to self insert to feel good about why they're a brain genius who totally would've survived the apocalypse.

      I base these musings off nothing but vibes though, could be wrong.

      Anyway, Shaun of The Dead has a funny little riff at the end about the post Zombie world and how we might treat these 'subhumans' after. The military clears things up pretty quickly (as they probably would), and then the remaining zombies are just used in challenge type obstacle course gameshows and stuff. Apart from the protagonists best friend Ed, who he keeps in his shed and attempts to rehabilitate by playing video games with him and sharing junk food.

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    The screenshot in a vacuum seems problematic, but yeah… these are indeed “zombies.” I don’t care for Dead Island so I don’t know what the plot is so maybe the allegory towards marginalized people are very on the nose and I’m wrong.

    What’s more problematic is that I’ve seen this screenshot used in the thumbnail for a video showcasing the gore with the title “When developers don’t care about PTSD” when in fact, they very much do.

    The Mortal Kombat devs were required to view real gore as reference for their work, and just the process of animating gore was traumatic apparently. Me, personally, I don’t know why you’d voluntarily work for a company whose known for absurd gore if you can’t handle animating it, but viewing real gore as part of work is unacceptable. And gamers want to whitewash this fact so they can go viral on YouTube.

    Also, check out this redditor trying to debunk the PTSD story with no facts, no logic, just conjecture.

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    fuck this franchise. is there going to be another concerted guerilla marketing campaign about how omg sledgehammering these savages zombies in the face is actually so poignant rly makes me think so-true like last time? cuz that was fucking insufferable.

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      guerilla marketing campaign

      Seen this a lot lately in the youtube shorts for gaming videos. Like that soviet game with the big boob robots, CGI stills from the game as a thumbnail in a provocative pose with a title like "The developers thought of EVERYTHING!"

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    This thread is worse than the game. Beware and turn back

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    Idk if the zombie thing is a stand-in for immigrants as much as a general "feral savage" stamp to communicate that doing whatever you want to this non-person is fair game and you're actually a hero for doing it.

    Can't imagine girls feel good about being reminded that gamers fantasize about committing sexualized violence against them specifically though what-the-hell

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      Dead Island 2

      also worth noting the original game was having a normal one too: [NSFW violence and misogyny] https://www.polygon.com/2013/1/15/3878810/dead-island-riptides-bloody-torso-statue-sparks-anger-shock

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        original game

        hate to be that guy, but the link you've posted is actually about the second game. Somehow, they even got the name wrong for Dead Island 2 because it's the third game

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        Wasn't Dead Island the one where about halfway through you meet a tribe living on the island who plan to stave of the virus by carrying out human sacrifice?

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    • Averagemaoist [none/use name]
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      Turns out concerned parents were right again. Violent video games and listening to groomer rock stars were all corrupting influences. We should have banned them.

      • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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        Violent video games

        Broke: Mortal Kombat causes real life violence and should be banned for the good of humanity.

        Woke: League of Legends causes real life violence and should be banned for the good of humanity.

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                  I’m done. You refuse to even humor the slightest possibility that I was trying to have a discussion and you just became hostile for no reason and pushed me into a corner. You win I guess. Congratulations.

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          I don't think they were considering view gore for animating Mortal Kombat to be abuse, so this conversation is very hard to follow since I don't think everyone is on the same page

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    Ran into this last night playing 7 days to die, a couple of the female zombies have underwear modeled under their dresses and it makes me feel weird. Mainly just a lil gross and confused

  • RebloodlicanDemocrip [any]
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    Am I missing some context here? What means zombies are stand ins for immigrants?

    Not gonna deny that the gaming industry is terrible to women but there are male zombies too, and you can smack them about all the same.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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      It's Vox but here's a little primer on it https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/31/13440402/zombie-political-history

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        Yeah, those critiques of the franchises it mentioned are true, and broadly speaking it's accurate but it's tracking trends in zombie media. That doesn't mean all zombie media that comes out now is allegory for immigrants.

        I haven't played Dead Island 2, but a cursory read of the plot seems to me like it's just playing on pandemic fears. They don't tie zombie outbreak to global migration like World War Z does, rather it's just some scientist who discovered that all humans have a gene that's going to make them all become zombies unless he essentially vaccinates them by giving them an inactive version of the virus. It's the opposite to what you're saying really because all of humanity is affected by this 'expiry date', not just certain people who need to be stopped from migrating. It's set in a quarantined L.A. It just seems like they're exploring the 'greater good' of quarantine and vaccines to me. I guess there's elements of eugenics in that some people are pre-immune to the zombie gene but I wouldn't assume that was their intention.

        Perhaps you could read into problematics of killing hordes of people defined as not human if you wanted to, but I think that might constitute being a joyless leftist. (I am one of them)

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