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  • Tervell [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    what even is this study, did anyone proofread this shit

    As additional evidence that tankies’ are indeed supporters of AES countries

    ah, the are that belongs to tankies, of course

    A Previous study [86] on 2021 Cuban Protests found that r/GenZedong supports Cuban regime while condemning those who oppose it

    randomly capitalized "Previous", [the] Cuban Protests, [the] Cuban regime


    anyway, some other great bits:

    r/sendinthetanks may be more geared towards discussion and debate among its members. This could lead to a lower PageRank score, as it is not as actively linked to or referenced by other subreddits.

    damn, they just called us out for not reading theory

    It is listed by r/Sino as a subreddit that can be crossposted from, likely indicating a pro-China bias among its members.

    tito-laugh you want to be informed about China? Well guess that means you have a pro-China bias, tankie!

    we can see that r/democrats is positioned between r/Capitalism, r/progressive, r/SocialDemocracy, r/DemocraticSocialism, and r/Conservative. This may seem odd at first glance, but considering that these ideologies represent current US politics

    the US, famed for its many demsoc and socdem parties

    Additionally, even though one of the closest subreddits to r/conservatives is r/liberal, they are still relatively distant.

    lol. lmao

    When we look at the RTPRs, we find that they generally focus more on recent, state-level political events compared to other far-left communities.

    news-megathread heads keep on winning, WE LOVE THE NEWS FOLKS mattjak

    This is further supported by their lower RTPRs for social issues, e.g., police, climate change, healthcare, housing, gun control, unions, and taxes compared to other far-left communities.

    or, you know, maybe many tankies just happen to not be fucking American, so your fancy model, likely trained on a predominantly American dataset, can only recognize discussion of "social issues" when it's specifically referencing domestic American politics

    tankies mention Stalin nearly twice as often as Lenin

    stalin-stressedlenin-rage

    These pairs show that tankies simplify the complexity and diversity of Jewish identity and also the establishment and development of the State of Israel. Furthermore, this usage of Zionism disregards the historical and ongoing discrimination that non-European Jews have faced within Israel

    no, you see, me brutally murdering this Palestinian child is actually for very deep and complex reasons

    We find that tankies have a higher proportion of shared news outlets from “Revisionist World Powers,” which comprise state-sponsored or statecontrolled outlets from China and Russia ... , these findings may suggest that tankies prefer sources of misleading information compared to other far-left communities

    using non-American news sources? um, actually, that's disinformation

    Despite the robustness of our methodology

    lol, fucking totally robust study here folks

    Our dataset also has a notable lack of far-right communities. For example, there is no representation of fascism or alt-right communities.

    oh, YOU FUCKING THINK THAT YOUR STUDY OF EXTREMISM MIGHT BE SOMEWHAT AFFECTED BY YOU JUST NOT STUDYING, LIKE, MOST OF IT?!

    While the explosion in online extremism has mostly been on the right side of the political spectrum, the overall political leaning of researchers is on the left side of things [87].

    damn those leftist professors, it's their fault we're not paying enough attention to the tankie threat! And you know what that fucking [87] citation is? "Pippa Norris. 2021. Cancel culture: Myth or reality? Political Studies"

    There was also a citation for our boy zenz of course. And the citation for Vaush is "Reuters. 2022. Fact check-CNN did not tweet a story about ’the kharkiv kid finder’" data-laughing

    • VHS [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      supports Cuban regime while condemning those who oppose it

      Ok, and…?

    • Gay_Tomato [they/them, it/its]
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      1 year ago

      Furthermore, this usage of Zionism disregards the historical and ongoing discrimination that non-European Jews have faced within Israel

      no-mouth-must-scream

    • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
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      1 year ago

      tankies mention Stalin nearly twice as often as Lenin

      This is actually really funny (although I am not in the least bit surprised)

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    redsails is not Chinese. Roderic Day is... I'm not sure but I think maybe Peruvian origin who grew up in Canada

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  • Quimby [any, any]
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    1 year ago

    The top 1000 domains worldwide were excluded. That's obviously why hexbear didn't make it.

    Also, I'm fine with us flying under the radar. High profile means feds and more wreckers, and I have no desire to deal with that nonsense.

  • very_poggers_gay [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    lmao i hate these ghouls that conduct and share research on online groups/forums, when they also have a clear disdain and severe misunderstanding of the groups/forums they study

    currently skimming through the paper and it's painful

    i also can't help but feel like the liberal use of "tankies" was an intentional decision by the authors to drive up the most clicks (and inevitable citations) on this slop

    Their working definition of tankies.

    “Tankies regard past and current socialist systems as legitimate attempts at creating communism, and thus have not distanced themselves from Stalin, China etc.”

    is it not painfully vague, almost to the point that it is practically meaningless at differentiating some leftists (or leftist forums) from others?

    edit: more thoughts:

    • calling your paper "data-driven" isn't an excuse to approach your research project with like zero theoretical (or nuanced) knowledge about (but a strong negative bias towards) the groups in your study

    • the paper was getting cool-ish until they started interpreting the results of their "Misalignment Analysis"... This section is very cringe (re: "Acceptance of CCP Narratives", allegations of anti-Semitism, and preference state-sponsored media (but only the bad kind (not american) state sponsored media). The sections before this, where the paper was more predominantly data-driven, seemed actually OK.

    • the toxicity analysis seems dumb as fuck because it doesn't account for all the ruiners that come in to pick fights and get banned immediately. Like when lemmygrad.ml was growing its user base, the authors suggest that the "tankies" were at their most toxic, but I suspect that spike in toxicity was driven by new users picking fights and reactions from older users to these newers...

    my new favourite part of the paper:

    Our dataset also has a notable lack of far-right communities. For example, there is no representation of fascism or alt-right communities

    BASED scholar DEBUNKS horseshoe theory and SILENCES all red-fash allegations soypoint-1

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      is it not painfully vague, almost to the point that it is practically meaningless at differentiating some leftists (or leftist forums) from others?

      It includes literally everyone that has ever called themselves an actual socialist.

      The only people not included in this fuckery are the people saying they're socialists when what they mean is the nordic model. There aren't any people waving the red flag who do not agree that the ussr and china were legitimate attempts at some point or another. There's literally nobody that matters who would say that these revolutions and the subsequent attempts were attempts at communism. They may disagree at which point their failed or veered off course but they'll all agree they were legitimate attempts.

      This functionally puts literally all socialists under the "tankie" banner.

      • very_poggers_gay [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        This functionally puts literally all socialists under the "tankie" banner.

        Yup. This reminds me of discussions from a few weeks ago about how liberals are beginning to use "tankie" like how conservatives have been using "woke" ... they've jumped on this new label that they can easily slap onto something they don't like or understand, so that they can protect themselves from having to engage in good faith with anyone to their left or reflect on their own ideas

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I suspect they don't consider linking to the BBC to be indicative of a bias towards state-sponsored media either

      • very_poggers_gay [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        Well of course, that's because state-sponsored media in Western nations has no vested interests! joker-amerikkklap

        I'm also thinking of all the neoconservative or openly fascist propaganda shared by privately owned outlets like Washington Post or Time Magazine that would get a pass, because - according to their logic - it's news sponsored by spooky second/third world governments that deserves the criticism for being biased and misleading...

  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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    1 year ago

    SAO loving weeblet, I already think he's fucking sus just by recognizing that sword

      • Barabas [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I would guess Sword Art Online from the "SAO loving weeblet".

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        You're probably thinking of one of Ichigo's swords, but those are mostly curved, one-edged, and substantially bulkier.

        And Bleach had issues, but is basically communist propaganda compared to SAO.

  • hypercube [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    kinda respect doing that sword pose as a cyberbullying researcher. bring them into your data-lair with such easy bait...

  • adultswim_antifa [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Foreignpolicy.com is left-wing alternative media? I don't read it (or any liberal rag gigachad) but I've thought of it as being in the NYT cluster, which I occasionally hate read articles from to find out what the liberals are up to these days.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      there's a bit of a Financial Times/WSJ thing going on here, where Foreign Policy tries to actually reflect some notion of reality for a decision-making audience. here's a couple articles that you wouldn't expect to see in bourgeois media:

      • The Littlest Boy about USA stationing backpack nuclear weapons in Europe after WWII as part of a stay-behind Gladio type shit: https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/01/30/the-littlest-boy/ oh whoops haha that just loads an emtpy masthead now, CURIOUS. but here's the archive of it: https://archive.li/8tvhv

      • The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan. Stalin Did. Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie? https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/

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    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Foreign Policy occasionally will publish geopolitical 'realists' that align with the Kissinger model, most of whom come from the Neo-con method of geo-political analysis, which is heavily influenced by Trotskyist thinking, which itself is heavily influenced by Marxist-Leninism. In essence, occasionally we come to agreement on the way things are/were but we disagree if they were bad/good and how the American empire should proceed with that shared understanding of those historical ideas.

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  • flowernet [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    in 3 years I will use this paper to attack the legitimacy of social sciences in general.

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    • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
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      1 year ago

      this usage of Zionism disregards the historical and ongoing discrimination that non-European Jews have faced within Israel

      Literally how?? I have almost exclusively seen this fact pointed out by leftists, and pretty much never liberals

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