how are we doing today gang? i think i caught a cold from flyering at pride last week
. honestly i feel a little bummed that pride month is over, june is my favorite month and there aren't any more good holidays till Halloween. I guess I'm ready for summer to be over.
come chat vent and joke! em poc only!!
white people saying "ahh" instead of ass kills me becasue have you heard how they say it irl? they cant even say it. they say ahh like they are lowercase yelling like "ahhhhhh" but shorter its wild. just say ass.
I've been looking for queer spaces specifically for black people or at least BIPOC in general. Queer cracKKKers are so blinded by the privilege that they get by being white that they forget to express solidarity in being marginalized when they interact with queer ethnic minorities/people of color. I hope to find something soon. At this rate, I will never lose the caution I have when I'm around bleach demons, and maybe that's for the best.
I've met some cool people on Lex (the app) recently
I don't spend that much time on art unfortunately but art scenes tend to have a lot of us too
If you live near a major city, womanist groups might be what you're looking for
Good luck with that process! I'm moving real soon too, and I have nothing but a smile on my face about that! I'm also going to be legally eligible to change my name in about a month, so I got two great events happening at roughly the same time.
I cannot fucking wait cause I have these terrible roommates who dont clean nor know how to cook
I have a new niece now! She was born during the midst of a major storm lol
Something about babies and the way their little hands curl around your fingers melts my heart.
Of course this is the child of my brother with the white British wife. Her parents were saying weird shit about how the baby is a “beautiful Latina” and looks white without actually being white. This kind of dumb shit is why I could never really marry into a white family.
@aaaaaaadjsf can you speak any Southern African languages? you can PM instead if you want
(also applies to anyone here that can speak any Southern African languages)
"I'd rather vote for a corpse than Trump"
Buddy, you must just get your wish
I was talking to my closest friend tonight about the concept of hiring discrimination and it got heated. The topic of diversity quotas came up, which, as far as I'm concerned, is an overblown right wing culture war talking point, but she fully believes that it's an issue because she "doesn't believe in discrimination."
I believe her, she's genuinely a good person, but I also think that things like diversity quotas were put in place because white people historically cannot be trusted to not be biased against minorities. It's a measure to combat institutional discrimination. She agreed, and she couldn't think of a better alternative to diversity mandates since you can't "force people to be good," but she still thought they were wrong.
Her argument frustrated me because it sounded a lot like she was saying that people were only being hired because of diversity quotas, which is ridiculous and I think where the argument becomes unabashedly racist. To be considered for a job, in my mind, you have to be capable of actually doing it. Therefore someone hired where diversity tipped it in their favour is already also capable of doing the job, else they wouldn't be considered. The white PhD is not going to be passed over for any POC off the street, but if there's also a POC PhD in the running, and the company has a 90% white work force, what is the issue in hiring the POC PhD? She didn't accept the idea that the POC candidates aren't being hired purely for diversity reasons and I think this is a result of white American brainworms.
I think I could have done a better job of representing the argument but I probably don't understand the topic as well as I think I do. I dismiss a lot of the points as culture war nonsense not worth thinking about. Are 'diversity quotas' actually as prevalent as white people think they are? What are some stronger thoughts on this whole topic? Am I even making the correct argument here?
I'm feeling pretty down about this because she's literally my closest friend and it sucks to hear her make these kinds of arguments.
She didn't accept the idea that the POC candidates aren't being hired purely for diversity reasons and I think this is a result of white American brainworms.
I mean, I think that's a result of being a racist—which is included in the American brainworms package, I suppose.
If she thinks the literal only reason POC are being hired is for diversity requirements, implying they otherwise wouldn't attain a job in 'equal' competition with Whites, then I think she's just actually racist. All POC are not qualified to do their jobs?
Yeah, that's my frustration with that line of logic too. Once again, I've known her for a very long time and know she's a good person and isn't actually a racist, that's the reason why I say white American brainworms. They get pumped with that propaganda day in, day out. All the 'woke' nonsense, all the 'DEI' garbage that's become popular in recent years which having a take like this this directly relates to. It doesn't hurt any less though.
I mean, whats the difference from believing the exact same shit as a racist while denying being racist and actually being a racist if they act the same
Because they don't act the same? I wouldn't be such good friends with her if she actually behaved that way, she's just got brainworms on this particular stance. Every white person you ever meet is going to have internal biases against POC because they've grown up in a world that dehumanises us and there are forces actively working to keep those biases in the forefronts of their minds. Hell, POC have biases against other POC. If I wrote off every person in my life who wasn't some unattainable level of 'pure,' there would only be online liars left. Instead I choose to try to bring around people who are worth the effort.
What is the difference between "internalized biases" and just bigotry if they choose not to work through them and double down?
Is thinking that poc can be just as capable as whites an "unattainable level of purity" to you?
You seem to know my friend a lot better than I do. Maybe you should talk to her.
I think what they're trying to say is you can think they're a good person and they can genuinely have good intentions and they can genuinely believe that they're not racist, and yet still be racist. You knowing them and being their friend isn't a sufficient argument, it's the flip side of "My best friend is Black!”
I'm not necessarily saying they're a skinhead, Neo-Nazi asshole, but your friend sounds like an actual racist.
Damn you seem to know a lot about his friend, comrade. Maybe you should talk to them
Send me their number, I'll let them know I think they're racist based off a racist position it was stated that they firmly hold.
Yeah, best way to make people sympathetic to your cause is to brand them a racist at the earliest available opportunity. Maybe find one friend worth a fucking damn before you start giving advice.
And what I'm trying to say is that I'm in a better position to understand whether they are a real racist or not than two random people online who have evaluated an entire person based on a handful of paragraphs about what they think about hiring practices.
I have context about them, like the fact that they have listened and supported me when I've been down about being in an all-white team more times than I can count, and commiserated about my treatment in said team. I know exactly how they would react if a non-white person they knew was actually discriminated against in practice, outside of a hypothetical discussion about diversity quotas. This is exactly the same as how some people will support the concepts of socialism when put into practice as long as you don't use any of the keywords that they have been propagandised with, which will trigger a defensive pushback.
It's disappointing and it's a racist train of thought, but they are not a racist. And on the topic of disappointing, I came here to vent about an unfortunate situation with people who I thought could empathise, not to have someone I repeatedly described as "my closest friend" branded a racist. This isn't Reddit, the answer to every shit take is not "they're a bad person, cut them loose." What did you and the other person think was going to happen? That I was going to drop my friendship because of your half-assed assessments?
Disengage. I'm extremely irritated that I've even had to justify my friendship to this degree.
Okay. I hear you, comrade. But you missed the entire point. I never said they were a bad person, quite the opposite.
And, yeah, you're right, this isn't reddit. You posted to a Leftist thread of BIPOC and said your friend held some racist ideas that you qualified for them because they're your friend. If I have to explain to you why that might make someone here respond to you as I have, which has been respectful so far, then I don't know what to tell you.
I said they are my closest friend, which was the entire basis of why I was hurt enough to post the interaction to begin with. You completely ignored that multiple times because it doesn't matter to you, but it is the only point to me. I also asked you to disengage, which you have also ignored. So you know, I don't feel you actually have been respectful at all.
Not sure how you expect me to react or what you and the other person thought you were bringing to the table. I was quite clearly uncomfortable with the way that you were speaking, yet you both chose to double down. My posting of this in a BIPOC thread has nothing to do with anything, you came to the defense of someone who gave the least supportive and most masturbatory response.
Dude. I honestly don't know what your problem is anymore and you're starting to irritate me. At first I thought maybe I did something but I really don't anymore.
Can you please point to one thing I said that was disrespectful? Someone saying your friend is racist for having racist beliefs isn't an insult, even if they are your closest friend. And how did I not disengage? I didn't respond further to any points other than to say I don't think your friend is a bad person and if you uncritically bring up someone being racist on a Leftist BIPOC thread you shouldn't be shocked that someone tells you that maybe they're racist. By "disengage" did you mean "don't reply" because that's very different and, honestly, I don't take well to that either. Block me if you want but don't tell me when I can and can't reply to a comment when I'm in no way harming or harassing or anything. If I need to shut up then I'll take the order from Othello, who I also checked in with to see if I was in the wrong here but now I don't think I am.
I know they're your closest friend. I respect that and I wasn't trying to start shit with you. I know you said you were feeling down and I thought it might help you to see your friend in that light so you could investigate it further together, addressing the cause rather than the symptom. I think you've totally misunderstood my point and intention from the start, and maybe you're feeling especially vulnerable right now so you're becoming hyper-defensive for your friend and maybe that's part of it, but I'm not your enemy here and I'm not trying to start shit with you.
It's bullshit, I work at probably the most woke tech company in the world and women are 20-25% of coders, and I know 3 black coders out of hundreds. I know 0 Hispanic coders here
All 3 are pretty average as an employee, from rich families, and got hired out of school from Stanford, Harvard, ?
So as usual, family income is the best predictor for career success lol
Maybe someone that is more well read can add a bit more to what I'm going to say, but I'm pretty sure studies on diversity hires finds that they almost always are just as, if not more highly qualified than their white counterparts. The argument that a diversity hire is indeed taking the job from a more qualified white candidate is a right-wing talking point for sure.
I honestly think you did a good job of representing your side of your argument given it was an on the spot conversation. If you really feel like it, you could always find and provide her with some of the studies that have been done on the subject.
Also one final point I would have made is what would be her solution. If she does believe that there is discrimination and people can't be "forced to be good", what will happen to all of these POC who are qualified, but aren't being hired?
Somewhat related too, but I had a co-worker, also a POC, bring up diversity hiring as well. He's got conservative views and is all in on chud news/content on social media. He's talked about how DEI is a problem before. But yesterday he was talking about how Republicans helped pass affirmative action laws. I corrected him on that point because the revisionism lol. But I also made sure to add, yeah affirmative action laws are necessary but conservatives are trying to reverse a lot of them with their anti-DEI movement.
Thanks comrade. I think I might look up those studies and send them her way. She literally did not have an alternative answer for how to combat hiring bias but said she still could not "support discrimination." I argued calling it 'discrimination' in this context is highly political, because it's starting from a position of the white candidate always being more qualified than a 'diversity hire,' which is just untrue.
I think she wants a world where everyone is judged on merit alone, but that world isn't this one. Crackers hire crackers because of their own internal biases which then reinforces the idea that they are the most qualified candidate. Diversity quotas come in to disrupt those biases and in response the conversation shifts to white people losing jobs to unqualified 'diversity hires' (even the term irks me). Somehow, someway, white people always manage to make themselves the victims.
Your argument was fine.
I think a lot of white people created the idea of how POC are treated in their mind and just go with it as fact. This is over the course of a few decades and is enriched in the many myths of the us. I've had this argument with many people and even if we agreed the candidates were equal, they still didn't accept picking the POC person(most likely Black) was anything but discrimination. I really don't get why but you're right that no company will hire someone that's unqualified just because they have a quota. Ask them back if both were equally qualified but one was an underrepresented gender or disabled would they still feel the same?
Thanks comrade. I really find the discussion draining and exhausting, especially coming from someone who I love a lot. I understand now when people say you have to work twice as hard as your white counterparts as a woman or POC to be recognised.
I just paid my rent and holy shit-
Im tired of living hand in mouth
Im tired of my pig fuck landlord gouging 80% of my monthly income
Im tired of my cruel shitbag manager telling me to work harder for less money.
My depression is turing into hate and rage
Be this the whetstone of your sword. Let grief
Convert to anger. Blunt not the heart; enrage it.
- Malcolm, Macbeth, Act 4 Scene 3....
Overall I'm doing fine. Feeling a little burnedout from work, but I hung out with coworkers in the middle of last week and things are going well with my crush too.
I went to a small family gathering for a couple of my cousins' kids high school graduation. It was ok, until everyone decided to go down the Christofash talking points rabbit hole. Anti-communism, misogyny, and queerphobia just flying out of peoples mouths in quick succession.
Also my mom today told me that one of my cousins' chud cracker husband was being racist. I had heard him say some dumbshit about someone not speaking "real English" after coming back from the bathroom, but I had no idea what he was referring to. My mom said that he was talking about an artist from our country who was singing a song with some lyrics in English. I really don't like him, but my cousin seems to just gravitate towards shitty crackers. Her first partner when she moved here was a cop and I don't remember where she met her husband, but he's some redneck from the South. I shouldn't be surprised though, most of my mom's side of the family are evangelicals, so high chance that they'd have shitty worldviews.
Evangelicals
Every time I hear that time, I get irrationally angry... are these relatives gusanos or smthn'?
Nah. Most of my family is from a country that hasn't really had a major leftist movement, but its just generally pretty conservative.
it feels like this year is flying by, and I haven't done much.
Yeah it really does. But I feel like after a certain age it always feels like time flies. Although coming to that realization doesn't make me feel any better
From whenst did it come to ye...? High school?
I don't really remember. Maybe once I got settled into my first job and I came to the realization that I had settled into a routine that felt unbreakable? So about 10 years ago.
I've had this issue recently where some comments appear blank.
Like this one.
Is this comment actually blank or what's going on? I use Eternity.
I'll say, Def didn't feel great for my race to be a specific topic question during the debates but solidarity with Chinese, Latin American and Palestinians folks for also being the byproduct of political fodder.
What debates include race as
political fodder ???
I read this like 30 times and I don't understand what you're saying. I'm assuming you're asking why and my answer is pandering. If you're not, carry on, don't mind me having a brain fart.
