• Tunnelvision [they/them]
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      4 months ago

      Sometimes when it’s brought up on here people attribute 9/11 entirely to blowback and I just can’t accept that as an answer.

      • happybadger [he/him]
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        4 months ago

        Don't speak for all of us. I'm the first to admit it was a tragic accident and I hate when people turn it into a Scooby Doo mystery or make it seem purely political. Anything to protect Boeing I guess.

        • HamManBad [he/him]
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          4 months ago

          Mr. President, there was a second random engine failure second-plane

        • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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          4 months ago

          Can you explain a bit more? I understand not wanting it to turn into a Scooby Doo mystery, but the political and Boeing aspect I’m not really following.

          • happybadger [he/him]
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            4 months ago

            Planes crash all the time. People are hardwired to look for patterns in things and sometimes we see noise that we mistake for signal. On 9/11 people saw four coincidental accidents- Boeing planes- and assumed it must be part of some bigger plot. Either it's a conspiracy we can all have fun uncovering or it's Foucault's boomerang. Neither group bothers to ask if those plane crashes are like so many others they don't do this with. The only dialectical materialism to apply is between the shitty Boeing mechanic and the plane missing components. The only conspiracy is the one you're seeing unfolding now- corporate negligence resulting in four separate tragic accidents.

  • piccolo [any]
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    4 months ago

    Bush did 9/11

    Besides that, love the meme

  • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    Of all the crazy options the lizard guy does have a point and is the most reasonable

    Still definitely capitalism but maybe the capitalists are lizards, I don't know glasses-on

  • Moss [they/them]
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    4 months ago

    Some people will lose their fucking minds if you suggest that an economic system has an effect on society

    • tocopherol [any]
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      4 months ago

      My parents told me as a young kid "we don't give you money for chores or good grades because we don't want you to do things only for money". It was totally logical to me then, if profit is the only motive people will be selfish to get money.

  • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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    4 months ago

    This meme gets real close to perfect, but could use some refinement.

    Top box is too "leftist meme". :::spoiler Shorten it to:

    doomer speech-side-l-1 "I have no free time. Still can't afford rent. Things only seem to be getting worse."

    doomer speech-side-l-1 perhaps it's capitalism? speech-side-l-2

    :::

    NPCs should adorn symbolism representing their type of guy. Each bulletpoint should dirty their entire faction by association rather than existing in isolation.

    example symbols:
    • TERF: Harry Potter scar
    • Lizard people: infowars sticker or make resemble Alex Jones
    • Anti-semite: swastika or SS neck tat
    • Dems: (D) logo or donkey
    • Generic GOP talking point: (R) logo or elephant
    • Current GOP talking point: Fox News logo
    • Cryptofash: fasces or black sun

    Have the libs and chuds face each other to highlight the how useful debate/contention is to capital.

    There should be exactly one bullet point for each type of brainworm. Either trim the duplicates or make separate versions targeted by audience.

    We only need one generic GOP talking point. You could argue for maybe one more representing the current era's GOP bogeyman.

    Then replace them with an unrepresented type of guy:

    Libertarianism has never been tried: (black/yellow flag tint)

    "no, it's regulations! Real capitalism has never been tried!"

    Purity fetish anarkiddies: (bandana and anarchy symbol)

    "no, it's the state! they are inherently oppressive!"

    Trump obsessed libs:

    "no, it's Trump! he is destroying our democracy!"

    Democratic party botfarm: (MSNBC logo)

    "no, it's republicans! they have a senate majority!" (update to "they are fillabustering our bills!" when dems have the senate)

    Democratic party controlled opposition: ("in this house" yard sign)

    "no, it's [current_dem_fallguy]! they are a tool of the GOP!"

    cheems NAFO imperialist fuckheads:

    "no, it's Russia! they are influencing our elections!"

    DSA radlibs:

    "no, it's citizens united! they are corrupting politicians!"

    cia DSA Langley caucus:

    "no, it's China! they are an oppressive dictatorship!"

    reddit-logo "leftists"

    "no, it's the tankies! they are red fash authoritarians!"

    The notion that capitalists deploy culture war bullshit to distract is pretty well understood by libs at this point. Would be useful to connect that to their anti-AES / anti-tankie hysteria.

    The idea behind this meme an extremely useful rhetorical tool for us. Can be adapted for libs, chuds, radlibs, and various flavors of ultras, but can't easily be turned against us.

    The asymmetry is :chefs-kiss:

    We should absolutely template this

    This would also pair well with a follow-up meme or extra frame for the anti-AES "socialists". Like this, but with each flavor of CIA socialism represented:

    doomer speech-side-l-1 "it's definitely capitalism, but what can we do?" speech-side-l-2

    funny-clown-hammer speech-side-l-1 "yes, it's capitalism, but [BRAINWORMS]" speech-side-l-2

    fedposting speech-side-l-1 "yes, it's capitalism, [DO ADVENTURISM]" speech-side-l-2

    funny-clown-hammer speech-side-l-1 "yes, it's capitalism, but China bad" speech-side-l-2

    • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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      4 months ago

      Bot idea:

      @hexbot output=png template-parent=doomer-says template-sibling=npc-says
      
      :porky-pleased:
      

      It would reply with a screenshot of the rendered markdown where each existing child comment would be an NPC. Perfect for libbitors.world threads.