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  • BountifulEggnog [she/her]
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    6 months ago

    Unfortunately, the thing I'm really envying isn't really a time thing. Hopefully I can fix it eventually though.

    Edit: whatever, clearly I want to get it off my chest. Hope this doesn't upset anyone, I'm tired.

    envy/dysphoria
    envying trans men

    I really fucking want hrt to fix my voice like it does trans men. But it won't, and never will. Just a lot of effort I have to put in, and I still very much doubt I'll get good results.

    But also just in general I have a lot of envy and messes with me badly.

    • 🎀 Seryph (She/Her)@lemmygrad.ml
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      6 months ago
      Voice dysphoria

      While it sucks that we don't have a way to change our voices without effort, I guarantee you that you can and will get better results than you expect if you keep at it. It can be very easy to get discouraged when it comes to voice training, especially with how slow it can be, I'm stuck in one of those slumps myself right now. But every time you do it it gets a bit better, and you can do a lot more with your voice than you probably realise.

      Also, transmascs don't just get a perfectly passing voice. It gets deeper, sure, but pitch isn't everything, a lot of transmascs voice train to pass better just like we do.

      • BountifulEggnog [she/her]
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        6 months ago
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        Thank you, that's really nice. I haven't started. I watched a few minutes of a video once, couldn't understand anything and just got frustrated and quit (story of my life tbh). I tried looking around here for resources but didn't see anything. Honestly I just hate my voice so much and I hate speaking to myself.

        I hope I can.

        Genuinely, how don't they? I thought T reversed all effects E has on your voice. I was just given this voice at T puberty.

        • 🎀 Seryph (She/Her)@lemmygrad.ml
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          6 months ago
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          E doesn't have any effects on your voice to be undone. What T does is it thickens your vocal cords which makes your voice sound deeper. But there's a lot of differences between men and women's voices that aren't related to pitch and instead have to do with intonation, pronunciation, resonance, etc... Some of these can be helped by the vocal thickening, but others don't change at all. Like, just as an example, some of the differences between voices are literally caused by how big a person's mouth is and T isn't going to make your mouth bigger. This isn't even considering cases where a transmasc's voice doesn't get much deeper or they want it to go deeper anyways, which do happen just like how transfems sometimes don't get much breast growth or their breasts aren't as large as they want.

          • BountifulEggnog [she/her]
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            6 months ago

            My problem with the video was I just didn't understand the terms they were were using, I'd actually like to find more videos on it. (plus I was pretty prepared to be discouraged, still am)

            Thank you for the advice, I will try that. I feel like I can't hum very high at all though sadness

            you should actually make sure you are varying your pitch as you speak, women tend to have a more sing-songy vibe to their voice whereas men are more monotone

            ohnoes I feel like I talk very flat. Thanks again for the advice and anecdote with your friend, it sounds like you really helped her.

            • ashinadash [she/her]
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              6 months ago

              ohnoes I feel like I talk very flat.

              Yeah so um emilie-smug singsongy vibes being coded femme while "monotone" is coded masc is ACTUALLY transmisogynistic ableism nia-smug

              /joke but like maybe not actually?????? Idk?????? Is this a down with neurotypicals moment????

              • BountifulEggnog [she/her]
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                6 months ago

                transmisogynistic ableism

                I expected to have this happen at some point, but this early?

                and yea I think it is, I literally only have one voice I talk in ohnoes Anything else is forced.

                • ashinadash [she/her]
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                  6 months ago

                  Real, we have new theory being minted here folks power-genius

                  Fwiw it's not required to speak outside of monotone to get gendered femme. My wife and I are both very monotone, I asked and she last got misgendered like four years ago lmao. Her voice is perfect & beautiful cat-trans

    • MusicOwl [comrade/them, sie/hir]M
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      6 months ago

      meow-hug

      spoiler

      I get it, so much. I’m a music teacher and gig around my local area a good bit. I take singing lessons with a trans man and often I try not to get into those thought spirals of wow I shouldn’t have to do this. A lot of our transmasculine comrades also have to do voice training to achieve they want. T does a lot of lifting, but not all of it.

      Will say though, it took a long time, but once I started to really get the voice training, the pride you can take in this is the voice you want to have, not what was given to you, is simply immense. Honestly, i’m a puddle when folks tell me that I have a beautiful voice. Keep at it, be persistent and take breaks with voice training. Make it fun! A lot of times I would just belt some Phoebe Bridgers in the car and try to match her sound. You got this.

      Last thing, there are very preliminary studies(from my vocal teacher) that estrogen does a physiological effect on the vocal system as it does across the body. I certainly feel that the nature of my voice has changed and not just due to voice training.