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I thought this post was going to go somewhere very different. You right, tho.
I've never liked romance in movies at all. I find every romance in whatever media to be a huge drag. I never wanted to "get the girl" in video games. I always found it to be a huge waste of time.
I've only now recognized I just don't have any interest in cis het romance. If it's two women, I want them to be together so bad. I was so happy when the romance unfolded in She Loves to Cook and She Loves to Eat.
Edit: arguing online makes me anxious. The following thread has been redacted. Thank you for your continued queerness.
A lot of lesbian stuff in the mainstream is male gazey and off putting. I avoid most romance in films because it's not for me. Books however it can vary a lot, I only read queer stuff, I have no interest in cis.
Games are mainly made for allosexuals and the writing tends to not be great in a lot of them so I avoid those too.
Yeah, the queer stuff is where it's at
No film afaik has ever had a good romance, especially in mainstream film it's all trash
Viddyjaems are even worse for this
AS WE CAN SEE FROM THE HEALTHY MIND,
Anyway are we talking like Danielle Steele, Nora Roberts type stuff? Or more like Tessa Bailey, Sarah J Maas, Penelope Douglas stuff? Many shades of "cishet woman targeted" romance.
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Nah, it's just "sickening" lol
Oh okay, it's the "weh dark romance is PROBLEMATIC!" bit, I see. Otome games I haven't engaged with (becaus they are all straight) but it doesn't sound like it's much different from the novels I'm aware of honestly.
This bit should have died on reddit.
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Yes, because in the context of romance, fiction broadly, people often use it as a sort of safe environment to engage with kink, be it stuff they would wanna do irl or stuff they would never consider doing, because it isn't safe for them or the social dynamics involved would be scuffed, whatever. I hope rtstragedy doesn't mind me pointing to our chat here about this very subject. There's nothing wrong with engaging "problematic" topics in a healthy way in fiction. Some people have consent-nonconsent kinks, is that "problematic"?
It's a reddit meme because the "hurr romance novel [or equivalent] is bad" is a misogynist meme, one that goes back way further than Twilight hate even. It's part of a common societal trend of just hating everything young women (or just women honestly) like without even thinking about it, and as a previous member of romance communities and something of an enthusiast, I know this sort of "well-meaning concern" about women choosing to engage with dark romances that feature "problematic" elements.
This meme should have died on reddit. Obviously care should be taken when putting this kinda stuff in a story, but I would notjust blanketly calling it all out as "problematic".
E: sorry kind of rude of me
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Okay...
Uh, Idk if there is one. From what I observed in those circles, it seems like this stuff makes it into novels, VNs, stuff because the readerbase wants it there. Most often the books are written by women for women, and in these the perspective I would figure is usually following the female protagonist, the focus is on her, whereas if shit's genuinely misogynistically like "heheheh kidnapping women is cool" the woman will also often be reduced to an object by like, narration, perspective. There is quite probably a line where "safe fantasy" ends and it becomes troublesome, fwiw. Yoi'd have to dig in to examine that more thoroughly, and uh cishets lmao.
Sounds like typical anime problems to me
which sucks but "anime" as a category is so hopelessly caught up on its tropes, make a drinking game out of every time a "slice of life" anime has a 16 year old highschool girl as a protagonist, it's lame. It would probably pay to look at VNs outside of the Otome Game category for that, although it also could be female players flock to these things simply because all other VNs are malecentric dating sims lol.
Also I do think all male power fantasies are bad
show me a transmasc t4t power fantasy and maybe I'll reconsider!!
It's why I stopped watching, tbh
If you'll excuse me now, I'm gonna go play Nier and see if this anime boy can save his sweet sick little sister...
I think that a lot of male power fantasies have to do with the urge to protect rather than the urge to conquer. Most people who game choose the "good" option overwhelmingly when provided with a choice. I think it shows that most people want to help.
The gross part is, under our current society, the urge to protect manifests through protecting (our pure virgin women) against (barbaric hordes) who want to destroy (our pure and right way of life). Which is, uh, bad.
I'd like to see more diversity there. Masculinity as caring for others. Not dad with child fiction that's oh so popular. But I also think the protect power fantasy has the potential to be set right in a better world.
Why don't you like those tropes? Do you know if she likes them?
I guess I prefer main characters to have active roles. The role of these MCs are generally passive and they have people act around them or in their name.
Sure she likes them, that's why she plays them! I mean, the love interests constantly fight over the MC, and I can imagine that makes you feel good. Of course, any kidnapping or threat of SA is followed by being rescued by a love interest. Again, not my thing, but I can easily see why someone would be into that.
Like you can see in my response to Ash, I'm really more hung up on the lack of diversity in the storytelling because it seems like in these games with like 12 love interests, they each treat the MC the same way.
Yeah some of this stuff is quite, uh, something
the cisses are in fact, not okay.
Yeah, over something so stupid -_- sometimes for hours or even days.
So weird because it doesn't happen irl. I just don't have poster's blood
Well I'm genuinely glad we both have it at least, we can suffer together ✨