Which is why you should support China, as a recent Harvard Kennedy School survey found that over 93% of the Chinese people are satisfied with their central government.
https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf See page 3
Facts don't care about your feelings
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To be fair... The same study conducted by Harvard that OP is citing also states that they do not consider propaganda to be the reason for the massive popular support the party has, they state very clearly that the people's opinions change with actual material outcomes and that ultimately the fact they have such massive support is that they have only ever consistently seen an improvement in their material conditions year after year. They believe that if citizens experience a lowering of their conditions they will turn against the government.
The thing is that people are satisfied because of economic growth. Ronald Reagan won the vast majority of states both times he ran, Bill Clinton was very popular too, the James Carville "it's the economy stupid" line is accurate everywhere in the world.
The real question is that should their economic growth level off to a level comparable to more developed countries would people be this satisfied with their government, and I'm unsure if this would be the case. Everything about this is based on how there's never been a real financial downturns there nation wide in decades.
No. It's not "the economy". It's real material changes in their lives. This is strictly stated, and something Harvard has been keen to say does not occur in the American population -- for example the rust belt are not voting based on rational assessments of their material conditions.
There is a massive difference between voting for the line and voting for actual material change in your life. The Chinese people's support is driven by absolutely consistent improvement in their lives, nationwide, year on year, for multiple decades in a row with almost no slowing. It is exceptionally consistent and has been since the 50s.
There's a difference between a financial downturn and a change in the actual material effect on a population. If people have houses, food, entertainment and work the same hours their lives have not actually deteriorated, they've just stayed the same. A financial downturn may affect investment and thus the continued development and improvement of conditions for people but unless the government severely mismanages it there is no reason it should result in a backwards step in the material lived conditions of the people -- any private business that is necessary to maintain the conditions of the people can simply be pulled into national ownership and operated at no profit until such a time as things change or have been adapted to suit the changing situation.
Labour is what matters to the continued survival of communities, not financial growth. If you ensure labour is protected in a crisis you do not have a collapse of anyone's living conditions. Massive setbacks in living conditions of a population is a distinctly capitalist phenomenon and is driven by governments allowing the "free markets" to collapse industries in various local areas and have the communities that depended upon those industries rot as a result, followed by doing absolutely nothing to help those rotting communities.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said. I'm talking about metrics like unemployment, housing stability and ownership, ect.
China is deeply integrated into the global market place, should there be a major sudden demand drop for things like say, electronics, people in China would be put into a bad spot and that could very meaningfully hurt the approval of their party.
As I said before, they will protect the labour in the short term and adapt industry into other things to maintain people's ability to have those three things -- food, housing and entertainment.
Should their manufacturing-based electronics industry ever be threatened as you fear there is absolutely nothing stopping them retooling local economies into more service related things or changing from electronics manufacturing to something else.
If push really comes to shove and you can't fix local conditions through such adaptation or retooling of the local economy they aren't averse to simply having entire towns relocated somewhere else. Remember all those "ghost cities" that the west propagandised about for years? What happened to all the talk about those? They aren't ghost cities anymore. Massive populations were relocated into them out of other areas in order to improve people's conditions. The problems you're raising are things capitalist countries are terrible at handling but they simply won't sit there and allow communities to collapse the way you're envisioning if key businesses suddenly struggle. They will prop up the conditions of the people while they find alternative solutions to ensure conditions don't go down, failing that they will simply take drastic measures to move entire communities.
Drastic measures don't always work, they have very significant side effects on the way people act and feel about the state of things.
To suggest that there isn't something that could happen within the country that results in a decline in material conditions is incredibly foolish, just look at what happened in the USSR. Economic stagnation that didn't even result in a meaningful decline in the standard of living played a role in what caused them to make the many strategic errors that eventually resulted in their downfall.
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The, "it's the economy stupid" line is about metrics that do directly relate to the material conditions of working people, not just financial markets.
Key metrics like home ownership (but really housing stability), low unemployment, and so on are what I'm referring too. China is not the same as Cuba or DPRK or how the USSR was, they are deeply engrained into global markets, a real slowdown for them is possible in ways that can cause significant spikes in unemployment. Additionally housing costs in China can be insanely high depending on where you are, it's just that this problem hasn't hit them especially hard yet.
93% is absolutely phenomenal for the second most populous country in the world.
America, for all its propaganda, doesn’t even come close.
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That’s in part because hating the government is part of the propaganda. ‘Government is not the solution’. The US gov isn’t the true ruling class.
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That is a good point, and I'd be interested to see the "approval rating" of people like Bill Gates and Elon Musk.
Quite literally everyone from engineering majors to mega-chuds loves Elon. Americans just have a different mythology
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Eh I always take approval ratings with grain of salt
Not because “muh commies faked it” or “muh people brainwashed, but someone saying they APPROVE of their government does say much. What “approve” means varies and for a lot of people it could just mean “generically low key patriotic” like most people in most not totally dysfunctional governments are.
In North Korea it hovers at 98%. Clearly it's the most persuasive point to be made.
Speaking of which, there's been a boon in 2% of the hard labor workforce, completely unrelated.
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And the North Korean government is good, too.
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true but listening to people doesn't mean you automatically adopt their beliefs, that would be dumb. it's about getting primary sources about the way that society is and building your world view on that
like I seriously doubt most chinese people have strong opinions about communism or socialism or capitalism or whatever (they care about their families and jobs and their own future, etc.). They have opinions about their government based on how they've interacted with it and how it affects them like everyone else.
I listen to the people in my community, and frankly we need to #savethechildren from under the Getty Museum NOW.
Err wait, I thought it was the Getty estate or something?
That too, and the Denver airport. Also buckingham palace.