THANKS VERY COOL GOOGLE I'LL JUST LET THE PLAGIARISM MACHINE THAT TELLS PEOPLE TO EAT GLUE AND BURNS DOWN THE RAINFOREST TO DESIGN MY CURRICULUM
ACTUALLY WE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN NEED TEACHERS WHEN WE CAN JUST SIT STUDENTS DOWN IN FRONT OF A CHROMEBOOK AND FEED THEM AI SLOP ALL DAY AND THEN THEY CAN USE AI TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Hey teachers you know that thing you're telling all your students off for using and has been actively ruining your ability to teach because students that use AI to do work don't actually learn anything? You should use that thing already ruining education to plan your lessons!
·14 hours agoGraded by AI
The entire thing is automated at every level at the low low price of burning the fucking planet to ashes.
i'm unironically in a uni class where our weekly discussion posts (ie have to write 3 short paragraphs a week) are graded by AI. professor says the system should give full credit if it can tell what you're saying has some substance and is relevant to the weekly text, but it often seems like when i write something original it gives my reply a C and when i say anything buzzwordy and devoid i get an A
The results it gives will be based on the patterns of the training material. If your response says a lot of the common words that the A* essays in its training material commonly use then it'll give A*. If it doesn't have a lot in common with them then it won't.
You can probably write literal garbage that a human being can't read but get an A* from the machine because it sees a lot of the same words that are in high graded training papers.
but it often seems like when i write something original it gives my reply a C and when i say anything buzzwordy and devoid i get an A
Working as intended for techbro ideology: they want obedient workers that can recite pre-determined answers and repeat cliches.
If we have the teachers use AI and the students use AI then the AI can talk to the AI and we can finally get on with our lives.
I personally love how when you google something now, you have to scroll down a page past the wrong answer before you see your search results. And no way to disable it! Neat!
Oh, and another thing! AI article summarizers for articles that are also obviously AI slop lmao
We are climbing down a rabbit hole into endless agony for no reason
there's a reason, it's the same reason everything always gets worse everywhere over time
the falling rate of profit. AI is the new moonshot where potential profit can still be generated (since it's a giant speculative money pit).
AI article summarizers for articles that are also obviously AI slop lmao
Regenerative AI
We are climbing down a rabbit hole into endless agony for no reason
and bazingas craving an ascended all-knowing and all-powerful mommy bangmaid helpmeet that loves them unconditionally.Show
Hi can you remove this image from my mind's eye please? I'm having trouble unseeing it.
Google is so bad now that I set my default search to fucking BING
In "News" google used to have a "blogs" link. I really like blogs so I used to use that. But google removed it years ago. Then google started helping me I put "blog" in double quotes. Google gave me fewer and fewer blogs results. To fill the void I still got non-blog top sites like Quora and Reddit.
A few days ago I did a test and I learned that google will actively block my efforts to avoid crap if I add "blog" or "blogger" or "wordpress" to my search. I did three test searches - one for each word - and I only got one blog post result after all that effort. And the blog post smelled to high heaven of spam.
Google has become unfathomably bad, it gives me the wrong answer consistently. OTOH Bing doesn’t even register the keywords of my search
There are many way you can register keywords to better improve your search. Jared Billswkay of MLT university suggests that writing down the serial number of your search can help with any future warranty claims while others find that simply taking a photo of the tag is sufficient. With these tips in mind registering your keywords should be a breeze!
Thank you Bing. I was asking about car rentals but I appreciate the help
Jared Billswkay of MLT
Is that a AI gibberish? Did it mean Jared Tomatowkay of BLT?
If you're on firefox, get the plugin "Google search engine with udm=14 preset" and set your search engine to that new version of google. It'll automatically switch to "web" results, which removes all the AI garbage.
Alternatively, it seems like you can append "-ai" to any search and it won't show it. No idea if its still running the AI in the background though.
And the search results are even worse than when it was all SEO somehow.
I hate AI getting shoved into everything.
I use JetBrains Rider to code hobbyist shit and after the most recent update, it started doing this extremely aggressive (and WRONG) code generation that was far more distracting than it could ever be helpful. Well, it can't be AI, because when they added AI I immediately took all steps to disable it.
Wrong! They added more AI. As a new plugin. Had to disable it as well. Like a fucking virus.
And its like... okay maybe I should stop using Rider? So I can just go checks notes use an IDE from a company that has an even bigger stake in AI (Microsoft).
"The treat printer costs X amount of water, Y amount of pollution allotment, and Z amount of rainforest. How much of your future did I throw away to have googleAI make this question for you?"
a sufficient amount of water, pollution allotment, and rainforest destruction will totally reverse the loss of all that water and rainforest and undo the pollution with a future magic tech solution, because that's how a data regurgitator works! 
-Actual fucking take from actual fucking bazingas like the CEO of Google.
they keep trying to shove it down my throat, too, and I'm just doing small engine repair paperwork
your stupid fucking AI can't respond to Farmer Jane about her Gravely's weird intermittent electrical problem, stop offering to "help"
Try it for free!
guess "free" is the new term for the low low price of trading hours of my time and frustration for some asshole's training algorithms. what a deal! 🤩
As a teacher, the only things I've found AI to be useful are:
-
"Give me ten ideas for X". Example: "give me twenty fun ideas for finishing a lesson on volcanos for 13 year olds". Maybe one of those ideas is good and I can adapt it.
-
"Write an explanation of X and be sure to include the key terms A, B, C, D, etc. Make sure the text is fitting for 14 year olds." Then I'll fix up the explanation because it's still not exactly what I want. I'll delete the key terms and make it into a cloze worksheet.
Yeah as a former teacher I can imagine ai at actually being useful for putting together some slop for admins to use since they made us produce class scripts every day to submit to school admin that never actually read it, adding like an additional 8 hours of work every week on top of the 80 hours I was already working. Maybe use AI for that and then teach what you wanted to teach.
My school district back in CA was so standardized that I didn't have much room to write my own material because there was almost always another fucking standardized test coming up, often with motivational banners and other nonsense to try to stir engagement and interest from burned out students already tired of the fucking things.
Oh, terrifying thought: what happens when the standardized test corporations start using treat printers to produce the standardized tests and their prep materials?
Boy do I have some news for you: https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/ai-may-be-coming-for-standardized-testing/2024/03
"This could be a step towards figuring out how AI can help educators achieve a long-elusive goal: Creating a new breed of assessments that actually helps inform teaching and learning in real time, he said."
Complete word salad. What, in this person's mind, does teaching look like when it's not "in real time?" Does he mean having up-to-date information? Because almost everything you learn in K-12 is so foundational it hasn't changed in decades (if not centuries). High school sophomores are not learning about arguments between mathematicians over Newtonian physics and changes to calculus as a result. They're still trying to figure out fucking algebra and geometry.
The information I learned in school that was out of date was mostly in history and economics, which has more to do with state ideology. We were learning what is now considered Holocaust denial as fact. I had to unlearn it as an adult paying attention to what various organizations and experts are saying is current. Adding """"AI"""" isn't going to fix problems problems like this. It could even (and by "could," I mean "100 billion percent will") make things worse.
It seems like what they want is to have AI-generated "tasks" that students have to complete to gauge their level of knowledge so that the AI can then generate tests that are more specifically tailored to what that student's trouble spots are. I already hate this, and this is the promise they're leading with, meaning it's the most benign possible application that is the face of the actual terrible ways they will algorithmically decide students' academic potential.
Should make sure the lathe is away from me when I say this, but: I think it means daily or weekly quizes, potentially given to random students that will probably somehow get tied to school funding. Maybe teacher compensation.
Just trying to think of what's the most evil thing a management consultant would think of.
Should make sure the lathe is away from me when I say this, but: I think it means daily or weekly quizes, potentially given to random students that will probably somehow get tied to school funding. Maybe teacher compensation.
Just trying to think of what's the most evil thing a management consultant would think of.
"No Child Left Behind" from
was bad enough but then 
made it worse with "Race to the Top." It's getting worse from here; I'm not regretting early retirement.No child left behind Race to the top
Framing education as a competition with winners and losers is derply fucked. That's not how you learn stuff.
That's not how you learn stuff.
After my years as an educator experiencing increasingly worse learning environments, I have concluded that learning isn't even a priority for the ghouls that command these so-called reforms. It's about obedience training.
Have you ever considered running education like a business? Obviously market solutions are what we need, and that means competition!
Testing random students daily would be a lower workload than what was expected the previous school I worked at where I had to test all students daily.
I put in random because testing all students daily is obviously a dumb waste of time, so of course that's a thing.
I would assume that the big "real-time teaching" thing is meant to imply something like "latest trends/research in teaching", which does sound nice and efficient, but we all know it's a lie.
"latest trends/research in teaching" often simply means whatever buzzwords and fads the higher-ups in the school system are fawning over at the moment. This semester its one thing, next semester its something else. It's most direct material consequence is how it acts as a justification for bothering teachers and undermining their professional judgement by imposing inflexible and unwieldy methods and curricula on them.
oh yeah absolutely, what I meant is that it is meant to sound like some scientific new way of doing education
Creating a new breed of assessments that actually helps inform teaching and learning in real time, he said."
I was looking into becoming a high school math teacher and the curriculum here for math is so overspecified that I can't imagine ever having to plan a lesson.
If it is anything like my old state, NY, you can ignore a lot of the standards. Over specificity means extremely low number of test questions on that standard and low variety in the test questions when they show up.
"Give me ten ideas for X". Example: "give me twenty fun ideas for finishing a lesson on volcanos for 13 year olds". Maybe one of those ideas is good and I can adapt it.
This would have been so much more useful than the solution my boss and coteacher gave when i said I didnt know how to come up with ideas for activities at the old after school program which was "just go on pinterest" which was WAAAAAAY to broad of an answer lmao. OK go on pinterest and start... where?
-
"Heh, you sound emotional about this. This is the future; China does it in some way too which means anything goes with LLMs. You can't stop this so you may as well get in on the ground floor and find a real job that won't be replaced by LLMs. I am very leftist."
Yes, there's a few totally-leftist bootlickers here that have this take and I have a few names in particular I'm keeping to myself.
You let me know know their names and I will hound them until the end of the earth
I messaged you one. That user already blocked me but may show up here anyway because this wasn't my thread.
That's good because anyone defending this shit is my mortal enemy
Labor aristocrat is when computer?
Anyway, this shit doesn't really work and fundamentally can't because of the way LLMs function.
You know I did block you
Continue blocking me then.
but it makes it impossible to use this site
That's a you problem and you know it.
What I actually said was that the left should prepare for this tech to proletarianize the jobs of labor aristocrats who work at a computer.
That's a retcon of what you said, especially because you used the entire checklist of techbro smug phrasing, and of course you're conveniently placing responsibility and regulation of the planet-burning treat printers into the vague far future, kicking the can down the road.
Again, continue to block me because I am not going to stop talking about these sorts of things, no matter how that upsets you.
It's funny to me.
Which is why you posted a
announcement in badposting recently.Show
I don't teach K-12, but isn't the main challenge not lesson planning, but like a lot of crowd control. At least like K-9 I imagine it's a nightmare just keeping kids seated and paying attention.
Nope, the classroom part is easy. Even if the kids are annoying, most of them will learn. But most importantly the amount of energy you can spend in each class is capped. It is, at worst, 45 minutes of walking and yelling. And admin very rarely watches the classes. They are out of their element in the classes. They just want to see the lesson plans and their expectations for those lesson plans are infinite and bizarre, 6+ pages per 45 minute class, timed to the minute, all content squeezed into a spreadsheet where most columns only have one word and one column has paragraphs, mandatory template looks like shit so they always have something to complain about.
That's sounds maddening, I go through about a page per 10 mins of lecture time at the college level and that obviously moves through at a faster pace.
Your mileage may vary, but lesson plans ARE classroom management. Yes I've seen classrooms that absolutely refuse to learn or do any work, but most classes will do work if it's engaging. Engaged classes manage themselves. If they have no interest in doing their work or the work is too easy for them or the work is so hard they can't even start it, then they start distracting themselves and others.
Any support or materials that can be offered to teachers make their lives easier and then they can tailor it to their class.
That's fair, but while an LLM might be good at giving you a list of topics, or even a loose script for a lecture, coming up with content that keeps a class of children engaged seems like the type of task it won't currently or ever do reliably.
It would probably be able to do a decent facsimile from all the data it's nicked on what an engaging lesson plan is
Oh yeah obviously AI can't do that for shit. When I mean support or resources, I mean lesson plans and activities that have been designed and tested by teachers then shared with other teachers.
Using the internet to find resources is hard too because so many sites are paywalled. I somehow doubt that "teachers pay teachers" actually gives much money to teachers.
The fact that TPT exists in the way that it does is baffling. We spend so much on education, the federal government or a large state could just buy TPT, run it at cost. New teachers are swamped by the need to develop a curriculum, lesson plans, and make materials and those are all things a government would be good at providing. Why does every teacher need to reinvent the wheel.
I've had some luck using geerative AI in exactly one situation, which is with kids with such severe reading/writing difficulties that getting them to attempt to write a prompt of any kind is a victory in itself. The charm wears off pretty quickly, but it can be used to get them to write a few single words. That is enough utility to justify a nation spending hundreds - or maybe even thousands - of dollars on the technology.
