California blaming its lack of progress on Trump is too Pelosi for my liking. You know Newsom loves playing beat em up with the republicans. Those libs don't enjoy actually engaging with the more progressive populace. That makes for nasty wine galas
I'm honestly not tripping about liberal bourgeois Californian's moving to Texas so that they can afford a house. We might get legal weed out of it. Maybe they'll even clean up our beaches.
I'm not referring to a incident where a California politician blamed the Trump administration for anything. But I'm saying that letting California set emissions standards for car will impact cars emissions positvely
Yeah I get that. I'm saying that California can set its own standards for cars whenever it wants. Just like Nancy could introduce good bills instead of dogshit airline bailouts whenever she wants.
It's not Trump that stops California (or Biden for that matter). It's California itself.
Like if Uber doesn't want to get rid of ICE by 2035, then California just...won't.
I’m saying that California can set its own standards for cars whenever it wants.
California has been doing that since the 60s. The 1970 Clear Air Act let's California specifically set it's own emission standards that are stricter than the nations since it was the only state with regulations at the time. 12 other states adopt these regulations, and automakers generally follow them since they don't want to make different models of cars for different states.
"The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning, noting that the move will lead to "older, highly polluting cars" being replaced by "new, extremely environmentally friendly cars."
"The California Air Resources Board (CARB) and major automakers on Monday confirmed they had finalized binding agreements to cut vehicle emissions in the state, defying the Trump administration’s push for weaker curbs on tailpipe pollution.
The agreements with carmakers, including Ford Motor Co, Volkswagen AG VOWG_p.DE, Honda Motor Co and BMW AG, were first announced in July 2019 as voluntary measures, prompting anger from U.S. President Donald Trump. A month later, the Justice Department opened an antitrust probe of the agreements, only to end it without action."
Which is why I'm saying that Biden literally just leaving California alone will have a positive impact on auto emissions.
We don't seem to disagree -- I'm just not sure why you see that as Trump doing anything. You have it right there - CA is doing whatever it wants to do. It's entering into the same contracts it would have had to anyways. Having them labeled as "defiance" versus "blank" seems to be the only meaningful distinction you're raising.
I fail to see any impact on auto emissions comparing Biden against Trump. As I said, the barriers to CA completely adopting green policies is itself (and by extension, capitalism). Biden/Trump doesn't change that imo
Because the Trump administration took away the ability for California to set it's own auto emissions standards in 2019. That certainly is Trump doing something, no? California is currently trying to get companies to voluntarily agree to certain targets, which is less than idea. It does not cover every auto manufacturer
As I said, the barriers to CA completely adopting green policies is itself
Why are you saying this when I'm giving you an example of the federal government limiting what the California state government can do
an example of the federal government limiting what the California state government can do
What can't California do? It's setting its own standards through binding agreements with state auto makers. I'm not seeing what Trump or the feds have limited here.
It’s setting its own standards through binding agreements with state auto makers.
California is trying to persuade companies to enter voluntary agreements. These are not legally binding. These do not include every automaker. Toyota and GM did not enter this agreement for example. It's not the same as having actual rules.
What can’t California do?
Set auto emissions standards! It's not a power California has anymore, the federal government took it away. Voluntary agreements is absolutely not a substitute.
It literally says "binding agreements" right there in the quote you posted. That's part of what I'm trying to say. California can do whatever it wants with respect to what happens in the state. If they want stricter emissions standards they can just demand them, and they are. Trump is huffing and puffing, sure. But practically I'm not seeing any consequence or fallout. I'm not seeing any practical impediment - just political posturing.
I still don't quite understand what it is the federal government "took away." Or what you mean by a substitute - they are getting results. I understand your general point that there might be more work to do under Trump than under Biden. I'm just not seeing it in this instance.
If they want stricter emissions standards they can just demand them, and they are.
Toyota and GM and not part of the agreement, California can't do anything about it. It's binding to the companies that agreed to be bound by it, which I don't think is as effective.
I still don’t quite understand what it is the federal government “took away.”
The ability to do anything about it. The Clean Air Air 1970 specifically let the state of California make rules stricter then the federal government. This part was taken away.
In 2018 California could stop Toyota from selling cars in the state if they didn't follow the emissions regulations, today Toyota has to voluntarily agree to be bound by them. They have decided not to, this is a difference.
California blaming its lack of progress on Trump is too Pelosi for my liking. You know Newsom loves playing beat em up with the republicans. Those libs don't enjoy actually engaging with the more progressive populace. That makes for nasty wine galas
California libs: Trump has ruined California, I'm moving to Texas.
I don't think that relates to what I was talking about, which was like auto emissions standards. That's not why people move
I'm honestly not tripping about liberal bourgeois Californian's moving to Texas so that they can afford a house. We might get legal weed out of it. Maybe they'll even clean up our beaches.
I almost moved to Texas but I ended up bombing that interview and found something in California
That was a good move. I'd rather be homeless in California than scraping by in Texas.
I'm not referring to a incident where a California politician blamed the Trump administration for anything. But I'm saying that letting California set emissions standards for car will impact cars emissions positvely
Yeah I get that. I'm saying that California can set its own standards for cars whenever it wants. Just like Nancy could introduce good bills instead of dogshit airline bailouts whenever she wants.
It's not Trump that stops California (or Biden for that matter). It's California itself.
Like if Uber doesn't want to get rid of ICE by 2035, then California just...won't.
California has been doing that since the 60s. The 1970 Clear Air Act let's California specifically set it's own emission standards that are stricter than the nations since it was the only state with regulations at the time. 12 other states adopt these regulations, and automakers generally follow them since they don't want to make different models of cars for different states.
https://www.green-technology.org/california-auto-emissions-standards/
This is not the case. The Trump administration removed California's ability to to this last year. California was setting standards from 1961-2019
California is currently pushing for stricter restrictions despite this
Which is why I'm saying that Biden literally just leaving California alone will have a positive impact on auto emissions.
We don't seem to disagree -- I'm just not sure why you see that as Trump doing anything. You have it right there - CA is doing whatever it wants to do. It's entering into the same contracts it would have had to anyways. Having them labeled as "defiance" versus "blank" seems to be the only meaningful distinction you're raising.
I fail to see any impact on auto emissions comparing Biden against Trump. As I said, the barriers to CA completely adopting green policies is itself (and by extension, capitalism). Biden/Trump doesn't change that imo
Because the Trump administration took away the ability for California to set it's own auto emissions standards in 2019. That certainly is Trump doing something, no? California is currently trying to get companies to voluntarily agree to certain targets, which is less than idea. It does not cover every auto manufacturer
Why are you saying this when I'm giving you an example of the federal government limiting what the California state government can do
What can't California do? It's setting its own standards through binding agreements with state auto makers. I'm not seeing what Trump or the feds have limited here.
California is trying to persuade companies to enter voluntary agreements. These are not legally binding. These do not include every automaker. Toyota and GM did not enter this agreement for example. It's not the same as having actual rules.
Set auto emissions standards! It's not a power California has anymore, the federal government took it away. Voluntary agreements is absolutely not a substitute.
It literally says "binding agreements" right there in the quote you posted. That's part of what I'm trying to say. California can do whatever it wants with respect to what happens in the state. If they want stricter emissions standards they can just demand them, and they are. Trump is huffing and puffing, sure. But practically I'm not seeing any consequence or fallout. I'm not seeing any practical impediment - just political posturing.
I still don't quite understand what it is the federal government "took away." Or what you mean by a substitute - they are getting results. I understand your general point that there might be more work to do under Trump than under Biden. I'm just not seeing it in this instance.
Toyota and GM and not part of the agreement, California can't do anything about it. It's binding to the companies that agreed to be bound by it, which I don't think is as effective.
The ability to do anything about it. The Clean Air Air 1970 specifically let the state of California make rules stricter then the federal government. This part was taken away.
In 2018 California could stop Toyota from selling cars in the state if they didn't follow the emissions regulations, today Toyota has to voluntarily agree to be bound by them. They have decided not to, this is a difference.