I don't plan on doing much gaming on it. Just regular laptop things.
Imo just go on eBay, search (t430,t440,t450,t460,t470,t480), click buy it now, sort lowest to highest, and scroll until you find one that's in good condition and has any parts you don't want to buy separately (SSD, charger, battery, ram).
The search term can include the t500s and other lines too, I've personally always stuck with the 400 models. So I can't speak to the x1 or 500 or other lines.
For Linux browsing you can get by on 8gb ram, but I'd recommend a minimum of 12, preferably 16.
Depending on your budget the sweet spot is probably t450 to t480.
Thinkpads, HP elitebooks. Get a refurbished office surplus one.
I have a thinkpad w540, think it cost like 200 euro 4 years ago including dock, bought an extra ssd and 32 GB of ddr3 . Probably will last until I kill it with some liquid. What is exactly what happened to my old elitebook 😃
intel, nvidia, and hp are under BDS so try to get an all AMD system (also better hardware support on linux and hp hardware is unreliable)
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I picked up a used thinkpad on eBay for like $100 a year or two ago and put Mint on it. It’s great, except it crashes if I move it while it’s playing a video. Best value for my money I’ve ever spent on computer stuff for sure.
Look for ex-government or ex-corporate laptops. These are often in good condition, commonly are thinkpads, get replaced every few years on a schedule rather than because of any actual problem with the laptops and often were plugged in to power for most of their operating life so the batteries can be good for the age.
Also look out for clearing house auctions of laptops from bankrupt businesses.
When buying second hand though I recommend that you price in a replacement SSD as they often are at end of life.
Used Thinkpad is your best friend. Look up the system requirements for some of the games you enjoy and see which generation best fits your needs. From there decide if the build quality or other features suffice. I've been tossing around an x230 for nearly a decade. I can swap batteries, added Linux Mint and extra RAM. Still going great.
The FOSS driver is bad but their distro specific drivers are usually ok. Their drivers from their site are usually straight up fucked.
But with that said, I'd go with AMD if it's an option.
I got a 3080 and it works great except for occasional v-sync issues on some Unity based games.
The meme is Lenovo t480. They’re real good.
People rebut and say the 490 and t14 are just as good or that the t450, 430 etc are worth considering too.
Dell and hp have good options too, but I don’t know them so I don’t recommend them. If you don’t know what you’re buying they have too many pitfalls for me to point people towards.
The dark horse and therefore correct answer is an m1 macbook air. Asahi is coming along nicely and it’s a baller computer for everyday stuff. Make sure you get the one with the amount of ram you need because it’s soc so the ram’s in the processor and you can’t upgrade it later.
Any Lenovo Thinkpad X-series. For example, I am using an X240 to write this reply. They are very easy to work on, highly compatible, and very light and portable. You can find them refurbished on Newegg, or if you have a local computer recycling center, they may have a thrift store where you can buy refurbished laptops, and Thinkpads are popular among that crowd, so you might find a good deal there.
Alternatively, many of Dell's Insperon professional laptops are excellent, and in my experience they often have better quality displays than Thinkpads for the same price point (above HD resolutions, touch screens, and better color range), so definitely worth considering if that is important for your use case.
I got a ThinkPad L14G1 AMD and it kinda slaps. Picked it up for $200 on eBay last year. It's been a faithful companion for my workshop ever since. Threw Debian with GNOME on it and it runs like a champ. Couldn't recommend a ThinkPad more highly.
For sure a refurbished thinkpad. Generally thinkpads have good support in all the popular distros, their build quality is decent, and it's easy to upgrade and repair.
I have a cheapo lenovo idea pad I use with Linux and it works pretty well for that.
I always double-check laptops by searching forums and stuff for the model number, finding the quirks and user experience. The nice thing about older laptops is they usually have drivers and kinks worked out. Larger distros will generally have more success, and the Arch wiki is always a good reference for hardware too.
Surface Laptop Go. It's the nicest little laptop you can get for $200. Also, running Linux on a piece of hardware dripping with Windows logos is so cursed I love it! They also come in cool colors if you like that (I got the standard silver one, but still drool over the ice blue and sandstone colors, but not enough to buy another one!)
I'm typing on one now. It's just.... nice! (just don't get the 4 GB ram model).
Ubuntu (and most other distros) work out of the box, and there's a GitHub for a custom Surface kernel if somehow you run into something not working.
As far as hardware, the screen is slightly under 1080p, but at 12" it's plenty sharp for a laptop. More importantly, the colors of the display look very good and accurate. I'd take a nice "low-res" display over a shitty 4k TN panel any day. The fingerprint reader doesn't work on Linux, no drivers, but that doesn't bother me. The trackpad and keyboard are pleasant, and there's a USB-A, USB-C, and audio jack on the left. The rubber feet were peeling off the bottom, but easily reattached with rubber cement (I used clear bath silicone since Home Depot was out), good as new.
Battery life is about 3-5 hours, which is expected for running Linux. I get around 5 now after using some power optimization settings. The surface connector is nice for charging, and takes about 45 minutes. My battery was a little degraded from the previous owner, so you might even get 6 hours on a fresher device.
If you're a g*mer or do any work with AI (preferably open-source), pretty much anything relatively recent with a graphics card, used is better for driving down price while still getting a good deal.
f you're a g*mer or do any work with AI (preferably open-source)
I don't work with AI and I'm pretty much just a casual console gamer
Thinkpad is probably your best option then, I've heard a lot of good things over the years
who tf is doing local "work with AI" lol
On a laptop, no less
even the huge models that you can't run locally are kinda mid and hallucinate a lot, why would you run some tiny local thing unless you're generating banned material
I use a local llm to re-write the tone of emails for my job so I'm not dripping with hatred and seething contempt
this, so much this
you ever seen Sorry To Bother You?
I have an LLM give my emails White Voice and it's helped a lot as someone who can't stand being "professional"
hahaha yes, this is exactly what I'm thinking when I do it
Links to what, Boots Riley's film or an LLM that will rewrite messages for you?
Because pretty much any of the open models will do the task now, depends on what hardware you have available as to what is best so I can only recommend searching "offline LLM".
